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Ideas Genie Pro => The Labels program GA048 => Topic started by: ideasguy on June 11, 2009, 12:49:19 AM
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Following on from the fun we had with the Orion label, heres one for European sized paper stock.
2 Downloads:
a) GA048
http://www.ideasgenie.com/updates-igpro/GA048-dl.exe
b) Labels:
http://www.ideasgenie.com/updates-igpro/labelcds-dl.exe
Start IG Pro
Under Labels tab start GA048
Should indicate Version 25 when started up
In the Select a Label pop-up, select A4 4 labels-Landscape 2x2
Click on the New Labels button
Proceed as normal to add plants to the four label images in the template.
Click Edit.
This takes you to the screen with the richtext options.
See what you can do with it.
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The downloads worked fine George, but haven't had time to see what the text formatting is like.
Have you programmed the space for the pictures to be universal ie vertical or horizontal.
Must fly
Malcolm
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In the Select a Label pop-up, select A4 4 labels-Landscape 2x2
Click on the New Labels button
Proceed as normal to add plants to the four label images in the template.
Click Edit.
This takes you to the screen with the richtext options.
See what you can do with it.
I've just done a mock-up of 4 plants just to test the result on A4 paper.
On entering data for each plant, long text wraps to the next line. But as can be seen in the screenshot below, that long text is cut off on the print preview and it actually prints out the same way.
(http://www.pixiemouse.com/igforum/labels-test1_A4.jpg)
I know George is working on getting text to wrap, but this is just to show what is possible at the moment.
George, one other thing I noticed is some strange text appeared in all the plant labels after I'd done the print preview - see screenshot below:
(http://www.pixiemouse.com/igforum/labels-test1_A4a.jpg)
Laurie.
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Hi Laurie
That was quick! What a fantastic job!
I am so impressed with your selection of Fonts and colours.
Some points for all to note (and please keep this screenshot for all to use as comparison in the discussion below):
Point 1
The photo region is designed for Landscape photos Ratio 3 (Ht) x 4 (Width)
To make full use of the allocated space, choose a photo with that ratio.
In the example shown by Laurie (above)
Cosmos purity and Osteospermum 'African Moon' seem to have those proportions.
(Great photos of beautiful plants Laurie!)
Point 2
Yo are NOT limited to those proportions. The program will accept and print any shape or size of photo.
It is designed to keep the proportion ratio, so you will not get any distortion.
In the example shown by Laurie (above)
Lupin 'Gallery Yellow' is an image wth portrait proportions.
The program fills the height to the maximum, but not the width, due to its ability to retain the proportional ratio.
Point 3
You do NOT need to resize your images.
The program accepts any size and makes them fit.
Larger photos (file sizes of 1Mb or more proportions) will take longer to print - just be patient.
Point 4
Text wrap is a problem at present (still working on this)
Heres a workaround.
In the example shown by Laurie (above)
Californian Poppy
Colour: Creamy Ye (has llow truncated)
Two options:
a) Place cursor just before C (in Creamy), Press Return/Enter key on keyboard
This will force the text Creamy Yellow onto a second line
b) Place cursor just before Y (in Yellow), Press Return/Enter key on keyboard
This will force the text Yellow onto a second line
Font Size
This is important of course. Using a smaller font size will allow more characters per line.
For a blank line
Simply hit the Return/Enter button (twice if necessary). This gives a nice presentation on the right of the image.
Point 5
Strange text appears in all the plant labels in screen GA048S02 after editing text in GA048S08
It is actually the "behind the scenes" formatted text associated with Rich Text.
This is the data which is saved to your hard disc.
The computer, with those complex Controls, knows how to decode that text and reproduce your Rich Text labels.
From a user point of view, if you see the coded text, it means you have edited that label
Please dont update the image in the posting above Laurie. Instead, do some editing as suggested above and post a new message so other members can see the "Before" and "After"
Dont worry about the photos if you dont have exact proportions. Its the text that is the issue at present.
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Downloaded, but in print preview i am only seeing top 2 labels even though selected A4 4 labels-Landscape 2x2, will check back in later
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Have you filled all 4 labels in the template in GA048S02?
If not you will get "blanks" in the printout
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Here's the 'After' effect to the screenshot above.
I have used exactly the same photos, so all I've edited is the text by using George's suggestions of breaking certain words manually with the Return key at appropriate places.
(http://www.pixiemouse.com/igforum/labels-test1_A4b.jpg)
Laurie.
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Point 2 in Georges explanation answers my previous post, as to why the text is pushed over to the right so far when using vertical pictures.
The space for the pictures is 'universal'.
Thanks for that George
Malcolm
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To Laurie
A possible bug?
I notice the image in Cosmos purity has been replaced by the image for Osteospermum.
I spotted this bug while working with a plant with multiple photos linked, but thought I'd fixed it in one of the updates.
Formatting looks good Laurie!
Do you have enough space to insert a blank line between each plant Property?
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RE (Malcolm)
The space for the pictures is 'universal'
In that it takes any size or shape of photo, the answer is yes Malcolm.
However, for maximum impact, that particular template is designed for Landscape shaped photos.
I'll do one for Portrait shaped images next.
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Here's the screenshot with spaces between plant Properties.
The change of photo in the Print stage gets changed, as you stated George. Whilst in the editing mode, the images match the correct flower.
(http://www.pixiemouse.com/igforum/labels-test1_A4c.jpg)
Laurie.
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A perfect set of steps for illustration and educational purposes, Laurie!
Can you edit Cosomos and re-selct the correct image.
A note to members:
Until I fix that bug, check in Print Preview before printing a hard copy. Make sure images are as you intended!
Can you shed any light on how/where/afterWhat the image was "transformed" Laurie?
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Have you filled all 4 labels in the template in GA048S02?
If not you will get "blanks" in the printout
yes filled out all 4 labels, i have discovered that for some reason the print preview is spread over 2 pages and when printed out i get 2 pages with 2 labels at top of each page ??? ideas where i am going wrong is my paper borders/boundaries
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Its to do with your printer. It looks like I will have to adjust the label to suit.
Unfortunately it will make the label smaller for everyone, but I guess I have to design the labels so they print on one page for all possibilities in the world of printers.
Go here:
http://www.flowergenie.co.uk/ideas/forum/index.php/topic,1073.0.html
Do the Test described.
Please report Printer Manufacture and model and the values for Top, Left, bottom and right.
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printer kodak ESP5
Wordpad margins following directions
Left 0
Right 0
Top 0
Bottom 0
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Does it accept A4 pages?
If yes, it should work for you without throwing a second sheet.
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Borderless sizes supported include A4
On a review of the printer I googled.
Malcolm
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Thanks Malcolm.
If it prints borderless, it should print the 4 labels in this design on one page without throwing a second page.
Each label is surrounded by a rectangle.
(If users find its a problem I can remove it.)
However, in this early stage, its good for testing.
Each of you doing this test shouls see the entire rectangle around each of the four labels.
If not, please let me know.
Are you seeing the entire rectangle, Phil?
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Can you shed any light on how/where/afterWhat the image was "transformed" Laurie?
When I produced the lables in IG Pro the first time (first screenshot), then up to the point of Print Preview and then actually printing them, all photos matched their descriptions.
However, when I did the second attempt to get the text to appear correctly and then went into Print Preview that is when the Cosmos photo got replaced by the Osteospermum.
My subsequent altered screenshots just showed the wrong photo for Cosmos each time, so I just left it as is.
I have just tried to reselect the correct Cosmos image as you requested but it's not displaying it.
I have right-clicked in the top left label to delete the flower, inserted a completely different one and this new flower displays correctly up to Print Preview stage as normal.
If I then delete the newly added plant and select Cosmos to go here again, all's well until I press the PRINT button and see the Preview. At this point it's displaying the Osteospermum photo again every time. This happens repeatedly.
I don't know why the Cosmos photo is not displaying again.
Laurie.
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Thanks for that info Laurie
Dont test any more on that problem. I will see if I can find the bug based on your detailed info.
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Thanks Malcolm.
If it prints borderless, it should print the 4 labels in this design on one page without throwing a second page.
Each label is surrounded by a rectangle.
(If users find its a problem I can remove it.)
However, in this early stage, its good for testing.
Each of you doing this test shouls see the entire rectangle around each of the four labels.
If not, please let me know.
Are you seeing the entire rectangle, Phil?
seeing 2 rectangles on print preview but seeing 4 rectangles on GA048S02, Sorry i have missed a lot of input here but been very busy, george watch your pm's later (laughs like dr evil ;D ) ;)
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Everybody:
Just what you to know that I'm watching and reading as things develope with the UK Label Team's new A4 label layout.
Thanks so much for the the work and testing that you people are doing, I know it can be frustrating and irritating at times, but that is how wonders are created.
And with George's creativity and know-how, that's what we will have; a Gardening Label Program that is second to none.
(Also, it is interesting to see my name pop up in the discussion every once in a while.)
- Toby
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George
I have found another bug which may be related to Lauries bug.
Do you want the details or are you ok for the time being.
Malcolm
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Let me fix the one reported by Laurie first, Malcolm.
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I looked at the problem but didnt have enough time to find the bug. (I was in the garden and watering until 11:15pm)
Later ;)
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Tested for a couple of hours yesterday - Ducked in from a shower of rain - did some testing and found the problem within minutes :D
It was a bit of a teaser. It fixes the problem discussed with Laurie (Photo being "substituted")
It may also fix the problem Malcolm has noticed. Let me know Malcolm.
1 Download:
GA048
http://www.ideasgenie.com/updates-igpro/GA048-dl.exe
Should indicate Version 26 when started.
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Just installed the latest version 26 and opened up the label set I had posted here.
Deleted the Cosmos 'Purity' image then brought it in again.
During the editing stage the Cosmos appears in the top left label slot as intended, but when I click the Print button and get the Preview, it's being replaced again by the Osteospermum image.
I'll wait to hear any other suggestions from you George before I completely delete that label set and do another one to test.
Laurie.
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It seems to be ok for me now George.
Have tried just about everything with it, no apperent problem now.
So will have to wait till Laurie gets some time to re try.
Malcolm
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Make sure you click Edit and go into GA048S08 Laurie. I expect you did that, but Ive mentioned it just in case.
I noticed another quirk, Laurie, but its something I cant do much about.
Everyone please note:
In Screen GA048S08, when you click the Save button it should become invisible- every time.
If it doesnt, click Save again.
Let me know it that helps.
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Problem solved George.
You won't believe this. I read and re-read your posting about the SAVE button becoming invisible in screen GA048S08.
When I was in this screen earlier today to re-insert the Cosmos image, I didn't get a SAVE button, so I just closed the screen.
I have just re-opened my label set and gone into GA048S08, but his time I went into a text box and added something. Immediately, the SAVE button became visible. I pressed it, closed down the screen and clicked PRINT. The Preview then gave me the label layout with Cosmos where it should be.
So I think the trick here is that just manipulating images doesn't activate the SAVE button, which is where I was getting this problem.
Anyway, the SAVE button for me DOES DISAPPEAR after it is pressed ONCE.
Hope this helps George.
So, just to prove it has worked, here is the correct layout I got:
(http://www.pixiemouse.com/igforum/labels-test1_A4e.jpg)
Laurie.
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That sounds good.
Another tip for everyone:
The Save button only appears when youve change something in screen GA048S08.
If you want to force it to appear, just go into any field and hit any key, even the spacebar.
Now Ive got to help Phil. He's got 2 labels on one page, the others on a second page.
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Thanks Malcolm.
If it prints borderless, it should print the 4 labels in this design on one page without throwing a second page.
Each label is surrounded by a rectangle.
(If users find its a problem I can remove it.)
However, in this early stage, its good for testing.
Each of you doing this test shouls see the entire rectangle around each of the four labels.
If not, please let me know.
Are you seeing the entire rectangle, Phil?
seeing 2 rectangles on print preview but seeing 4 rectangles on GA048S02, Sorry i have missed a lot of input here but been very busy, george watch your pm's later (laughs like dr evil ;D ) ;)
downloaded v26 and i still have same problem printing over 2 pages, 2 rectangles at top of each page, in screen GA048S02 showing 4 rectangles with palnt name and all this code text i each rectangle
Acer palmatum japanese maple
{\rtf1\ansi\ansicpg1252\deff0\deflang2057{\fonttbl{\f0\fnil\fcharset0 Arial;}{\f1\fnil\fcharset0 Tahoma;}}
\viewkind4\uc1\pard\fs18 hgg\f1
\par }
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Try printing to hard copy Phil.
When you do that, you get a prompt to select a printer AND to adjust your preferences.
In preferences, make sure you select LANDCSAPE
Lets see how that works.
If still coming out 2 on page 1 and 2 on page 2, then please report the following information.
In GA048S02, make each label different (i.e. 4 plants)
Referring to the labels in relation to where they display in GA048S02 as TL (Top left) TR (Top right) BL (Bottom left) and BR (bottom right), please let me know which ones appear on Page 1 and which on Page 2
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Ok 4 plants, landscape print out selected
Top Rectangles GA048S02
TL Briza media TR Cornus Alba Sibirica, Print out on page 1 top of page TL Briza media TR Cornus Alba Sibirica
Bottom Rectangles GA048S02
BL Festuca amethystina large blue fescue BR Griselinia littoralis, Print out on page 2 TOP of page, BL Festuca amethystina large blue fescue BR Griselinia littoralis, BL BR here refer to rectangles not place on print out
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Try a screen shot of page 2 and post it using the steps here Phil
http://www.flowergenie.co.uk/ideas/forum/index.php?topic=1128.msg7097;topicseen#msg7097
I'd like to see the layout.
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used vista snipping tool hopefully ok for you did all 3 sections for you apart from the edit screen
capture 4 rectangles GA048S02
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/locate8.jpg)
Page 1
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/locate9.jpg)
Page 2
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/locate10.jpg)
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Ive tweaked the label, making it a little smaller.
I would appreciate if everyone would give it a try and make user its OK on your printer.
Let me know if it fixes your problem Phil.
1 Download:
GA048
http://www.ideasgenie.com/updates-igpro/GA048-dl.exe
Should indicate Version 27 when started.
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Version 27 installed successfully.
4 labels per sheet still displays correctly and a printout is also perfectly laid out on one side of an A4 sheet of paper.
[Printer is Canon Pixma iP4300 colour inkjet.]
Laurie.
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Thats great Laurie, thanks for the feedback. They are slightly smaller, at the expense of white space.
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guess what
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/5.jpg)
well done and thank you ;) and prints out as it should
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Thats very good news, Phil.
If Malcolm is OK, we can now we can move on to another label design.
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Yes ok for me too, thank you George. ;D
Malcolm
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Thanks Malcolm.
Another hurdle has been negotiated :D
I'll now do another set of labels, in Portait orientation (something similar to the photos you use for your sales display)
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Thanks George will look out for that.
The labels we have already will be used again on Saturday afternoon, we have a garden club coming on a private visit, supposed to be 30 people, and they want tea and cake as well. So as it will only be Lyn and I on duty, we will have to regiment them a bit,
Garden first, then tea and cake, then plant sales. ;D
Have been busy adding some more pictures to our wpg, as and when they flower in the garden, still 140 ish to go ;D
Malcolm
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just got time to catch my breath then ;) any possibilty 6x4 photocard label sometime, no rush, ta, Phil
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Just so that you know that I'm still in the ballgame, I have the same problem I had earlier with the other layout.
With the A4 - 4 labels - landscape, I can save copy at top and bottom of photo, but not to the right. Otherwise, I can print out nicely, using US legal size (8.5" X 14") paper.
No rush to fix, I have no immediate need.
- Toby
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RE:
I can save copy at top and bottom of photo, but not to the right
There should not be any problem saving the data, Toby
Heres a summary of the rules when entering text in GA048S08
a) Click into the text region you wish to edit
b) You may click one of the buttons under Sources for Text
The data retrieved is added to the text region you selected before clicking a button
c) We have a problem in that the text runs past the margin on the right side
Thats something Ive wrestled with, but had to leave it for the time being.
Heres the workaround.
Do a preview and see where the text IS printed to before being truncated
Edit the labels again.
Put cursor at beginning of first word which does NOT appear on the printed label.
Hit the Return (Enter) button, to create a line break.
Do that until the long text you have entered fits the label.
You can do that in any of the three text regions.
I haven't managed to find a solution to this yet. Its to do with the Richtext control, and for that reason beyond my control
Does that help Toby. If not, please explain some more about your problem.
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No, George, sorry but it doesn?t solve my problem. But, I have no immediate need for the layout right now. .
There has to be one more SOURCE OF TEXT on that Orion layout. Just to stick a name on it, I will call it IMMEDIATE EDIT. The text that I need to have on my Orion label print-out does not appear in any of the sources that are listed.
After I enter my own text data to TOP, BOTTOM and to the RIGHT of the photo using RichText, and choosing my type fonts and sizes, etc., I should be able to save ALL of that text copy and be able to print it out.
I accomplished what I want to do, by going back and creating data on another size label of the same plant, and entered the text with the default font and size. Then going back to the actual Orion label and clicking on the PREVIOUS LABEL(S) that I just created, I can then use that copy to the right of the photo and resize or change with RichText, save it, and then I can print it out.
But that?s a round about way of accomplishing doing my own IMMEDIATE EDIT. If you take a look at that screen-shot that I posted earlier, you can see what I want to accomplish. I could not print that out either but it does appear on the screen-shot. I couldn?t save it to do so.
- Toby
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I'm not sure I have understood this correctly, Toby, but heres my best response with what I do understand.
I'd like to get the "mechanics" of this sorted out at this stage Toby.
Bear in mind that what we do here in GA048S08 will be used in future label designs.
All new labels will be Richtext, as it gives flexibility to the user.
I will also rework the older labels as time allows.
Heres my response to your posting.
1) You can save anything you edit in GA048S08
If you can type it and format it, you can Save it.
2) You can print anything you save.
The only problem is that if a long(ish) line of text doesn't fit the allocated space in the label design at printout stage, it gets truncated.
The process in my previous posting explains how to "work around" that.
By trial and error in Editing and Preview you will be able to print everything you edit and save in GA048S08
Question 1:
Are you OK with that, or are you having problems?
Next:
Sources for Text - The Previous Labels button.
Clicking that button takes you to screen GA048S07
Before the Rich Text feature was added, there was only one "data region" saved.
Now there are three (one each for Top, Right and Bottom respectively)
Currently, screen GA048S07 only shows one data region.
I will amend the program to show all three, with options to reuse any one of the three data items you choose.
Question 2:
Would that help your IMMEDIATE EDIT?
If not, what do you mean by IMMEDIATE EDIT?
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George:
Your response is certainly OK with me. As I indicated earlier, there was no immediate need on my part to use the A4 label layout, and I?m sure as you work with the ?mechanics? of both the US and UK label programs and get everything sorted out, it will be fine.
Answer to question #1 ? Yes, perfectly fine with that! No problems on my part.
Answer to question #2 ? Yes, I think by the time you have taken the label program(s) through the steps you?ve indicated, everything will turn out OK! If there is a need for IMMEDIATE EDIT, I?m sure it will also be included.
Will work with both the UK and US labels as you release new developments.
Thanks, for all you do.
- Toby
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Thanks Toby
I'll do one ASAP for the Ripped Sheets labels.