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My deciduous Azalea from seed
« on: April 27, 2008, 10:03:38 PM »
I grew a number of deciduous Azaleas from seed supplied by Chilltern Seeds.
Heres a few pics of the only survivor, and by far the best of the bunch
Its an absolutely gorgeous pale pink. It also has terrific autumn colour.

I had hoped to get this Rhodo patch weeded before this plant flowered, but too much work and no play - sorry!

All taken with my new camera














Finally heres another sample of my new camera - still havent got the hang of it yet.



« Last Edit: April 27, 2008, 11:09:25 PM by ideasguy »

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Re: My deciduous Azalea from seed
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2008, 07:09:58 AM »
Great photos George.

It's nice to see that you're making good use of the close-up feature of your new camera.  It really does make a difference is you can get in close to show off the plants' details.

Considering you're still getting the 'hang of it' you are doing a good job.

You'll have to take good care of your only 'survivor' in that plant bed as well.  If the worst happens to it, then at least you have a photo to preserve for posterity.  :)

Laurie.

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Re: My deciduous Azalea from seed
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2008, 09:41:59 AM »
I set the exposure to -.5 and tried a few, then to -1.0 and tried a few. I use those settings to capture white(ish) flowers.
On my computer at home they looked OK on the net. I'm on a different computer today, and they look dark.
How do they look to other members?
If necessary, I will adjust the brightness a little. Its easy to go brighter and keep definition. If taken too bright, I find its not possible to correct. Whats your recommendations Laurie?

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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2008, 10:37:29 AM »
They look a little dark on my computer too George.  :(

Photographs on computer monitors are difficult to criticise, because not everyone has the gamma setting correctly calibrated.  So, what looks good on one monitor may not translate exactly to another.  Hence, you've already seen the result viewing your photos on two different computers.

As a rule of thumb, I tend to keep my camera settings to automatic exposure for general usage, without increasing or decreasing the exposure manually.  I've checked the specifications of your camera, which are very impressive, and see you have an auto function, so give that a try.  Try using one of your 'Scene Mode' settings.  I notice that you have several of these - one for beach and one for flower being just two of them, so try using one of those.  A beach scene is very contrasty, sun reflecting off the sand being very bright, yet other areas appearing darker,  so if you manually compensate for one area then others could suffer.  The auto function and specific scene modes usually do a pretty good job.  That 'flower' setting sounds interesting, I'd definitely give that one a try.  8)

There are times when this does not always work perfectly.  Even professional photographers don't always get it right.  This is where software intervention comes into play.

I use Photoshop Elements.  This is basically Photoshop, with certain features disabled.  Photoshop is incredibly expensive and very difficult to learn.  Unless you're doing a lot of serious graphics work as part of your job, then it's not worth it.  'Elements' is very reasonably priced and does a fantastic job.

In Photoshop Elements, for example, you can enhance photographs that have very bright areas and very dark areas, by reducing the 'highlights' and putting some light into the dark areas, without losing quality or definition.

Obviously, not everyone has access to graphics software, but it's a bonus if you do.

I don't know what the lighting conditions were like when you took your photos, but there are little tricks you could try.  If it is a very sunny day and you want to take photos of white flowers, then I would choose the time of day when the sun is at its least intensity.  Midday is not a good time as the sun is directly overhead and VERY bright, and gives contrasty results - bright whites and dark shadows.  Early morning or early evening are good times, as the sun is less intense and you get more muted and softer results.

If you're wanting to capture a flower that is a little bit in the shade, even though the sun is shining, you can use a white card to reflect the sunlight onto your subject.  This will give a nice soft lighting effect without burning out the brighter parts of your flower.

Gamma correction on monitors is the other stumbling block, as I touched on earlier.  It is very important to get it right, because no matter how careful you are to get the exposure correct on your camera for your photo, there's no guarantee that everyone will see it the same way.  It can be very frustrating for someone to say your photos look terrible when they are viewing them on their uncalibrated monitor.

For anyone taking photographs to show on the forum, then I would recommend using a gamma calibration program.  I use Photoshop Elements to calibrate my monitor, but there are free utilities available on the Internet.  A Google search would be a good place to start.  I haven't tried any of these free programs to be able to recommend anything.
The calibration isn't just a one-off either.  Over time, as your monitor gets older, the calibration can alter so the test really needs to be done every two to three months.

Experiment with some of my suggestions.  Take the same photo of a flower several times using different camera settings and see which ones give you the best results.
If you're really serious about it, there are also hardware options available which attach to the screen of your monitor.  However, these are much more expensive than the software options.

If your photos look good on your own monitor, that has been correctly calibrated, then at least you know you've done the best you can to achieve lifelike colours, correctly exposed.  CRT monitors will give slightly different results to the now more common TFT or LCD ones, the newer ones looking brighter.  The monitor on my desktop PC is a CRT and Kathy's is a LCD.  The same photo on my PC looks almost identical on hers, because the gamma calibration is correct.

I hope this info is useful George.

Laurie.
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Re: My deciduous Azalea from seed
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2008, 01:01:10 PM »
Very good information there, Laurie. Thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed posting.
Theres good tips for all members in there.

I did try the Auto setting to begin with, taking a few family photos, but something wasn't quite right. It was a bright day, and the sky as a "background" seemed to cause problems.

With your tips, I shall persevere  ;)

I also have photoshop elements, so will do that calibration check. Good tip  8)


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Re: My deciduous Azalea from seed
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2008, 06:55:39 PM »
Are you a photographer, Laurie, or is making pictures a fullgrown hobby of yours?
Perhaps it would be a good idea to start a board about this subject?

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« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2008, 08:04:49 PM »
Are you a photographer, Laurie, or is making pictures a fullgrown hobby of yours?
A bit of both I think André.  I'm not a professional as I have never been employed as a photographer or received a salary for the work.

I regard myself as a serious amateur, which I suppose also makes it a fullgrown hobby of mine.

I pride myself on taking the best pictures possible, and it is very rewarding to share my results with other people who appreciate them.  Hopefully this will help to inspire other people to take up the hobby if they haven't already, and not to be afraid of what other people may think of their results.  If your pictures please you, then that is all that matters, appreciation is the icing on the cake.

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Perhaps it would be a good idea to start a board about this subject?

That is definitely food for thought André.  Do you have any ideas for subject heading in mind?

Laurie.
 

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Re: My deciduous Azalea from seed
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2008, 08:28:46 AM »
Great looking Azalea or Rhododendron as they are now included in this genus.
I do not have a great knowledge of this plant group.
To find more inforation you would in the first instance contact someone like myself, the RHS - OK if you are a member!!
Or you can contact a specialist nursery direct.
I would recommend that you contact the following Nursery - Morley Nurseries Ltd - www.morley-nurseries.co.uk
They are specialist growers of this group of plants and wholesale to Garden Centres across the UK.
Let me know the response you get.

Good photos, I use a Canon Digital E350D, using photoshop for editing I also use Rea Image Converter for saving files in different forms.
You can if you have save images in a raw format and then edit, can be useful for correcting colours and lighting.
From experience you should always ensure that you save your best images somewhere secure on a separate hard drive or a digital vault, saving to DVD cannot be relied upon.

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Re: My deciduous Azalea from seed
« Reply #8 on: April 29, 2008, 05:14:33 PM »
Laurie:

Yes, please consider starting a board on garden photography and/or regular photography. I'm just starting out, so any and all subject matter would be greatly appreciated. You guys certainly are great when it comes to helping others out! Many thanks. Your encouragement is just what I need.

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« Reply #9 on: April 29, 2008, 05:43:01 PM »
Okay.  Photography appears to be a very popular topic, which I am pleased about, so I'm in the preparation stage of setting this up.

I'll post the details once I've got the categories sorted out.

Thanks to everyone for their interest and feedback.  8)

Laurie.

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Re: My deciduous Azalea from seed
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2008, 08:44:55 PM »
What I had in mind, Laurie, were i.a. practical advices like those you gave George a few days ago.
For instance: what to do with long shadows in the garden or the (more subjective) question if close -ups won't distort a representative image, picture of a plant. You know those photos where you have to guess what you're looking at ???
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« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2008, 09:01:16 PM »
Thanks André, that's very useful.  8)

The category heading will be called Photography and I'm now carefully thinking about the sub-categories.

There won't be a lot of these as I don't want to confuse people, just enough to cover most aspects of garden-related photography.

I've got four at the moment which I'm quite happy with, so it's just a case of wording the descriptions so members are clear as to where to do any postings.

I'll put your suggestions in there somewhere.  ;)

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Re: My deciduous Azalea from seed
« Reply #12 on: April 29, 2008, 10:02:40 PM »
RE: (from Paul-newplantsguy)
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I would recommend that you contact the following Nursery - Morley Nurseries Ltd - www.morley-nurseries.co.uk

Thanks for that Paul. I've visited their website, and will get in touch with them. May I name drop, and mention that I was referred to contact them by you?

I will also send links to the photos to Prue (Sherwood)
http://www.ideasforgardens.net/Sherwood/Azaleas/
They should know a good Azalea!!

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Re: My deciduous Azalea from seed
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2008, 10:35:15 AM »
Yes you can name drop.
Let me know what you hear back and what you hear from Sherwood.

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Re: My deciduous Azalea from seed
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2008, 05:10:49 PM »
Prue (Sherwood) agrees its a very nice plant.

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Thanks for the support, Paul. I hate going "cold" to a new contact. I havent emailed yet, but I will soon.

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Re: My deciduous Azalea from seed
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2008, 10:20:57 PM »
Heres the Autumn colour of my special Azalea



and a close up of the autumn foliage