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Ideas Genie Pro => General discussion => Topic started by: diegartenfrau on January 15, 2010, 05:48:43 AM
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I have been trying to use the specimen program to organize my succession sowing of vegetable for the last 3 hours. Getting really frustrated. ???
I was trying to follow George's instruction he gave me some time ago.
instruction were as follow:
add a specimen for each sowing you do for a plant.
no need to create batch, keep it simple
So for lettuce 'varname' you could have specimen called march sowing, april sowing, may sowing
in task program you can create task for each of the specimens
recommended a separate Task number for each specimen
So I tried to do that, but it did not seem to simplify the input then just using the 'defining plant care' and then the 'task' programs, I still had to input the dates of the different sowings anyway and if I just use the specimen as is, I don't have the alert.
It is all very confusing to work with.
then I tried this.:
I opened program GA004 Plants and Garden, selected button for on doubleclick go to >specimen< on right grey field
selected a vegetable Brassica Broccoverde. doubleclick it >brings me to GA100S23
in specimen name I put in> indoor sow 2/21 then I clear field with date obtained >click add > this brings me back to GA004S01 program, the specimen is right under the Plant name I chosen.
I add a few more specimen the same way, just so I can see what it will do in Task
close down program GA004 and go to Task program GA047
specimen does not show up, so I click >generate care task< button > click New button< program tells me I have to first generate a care topic. So I just choose the seed indoor care topic, which I have in my care definitions, but as I click back and forth between different care topics it seems it does not matter what I choose, it will let me now click the >New< button and brings me to
GA047S03 working with plant related tasks. I select >include specimen< give it a task title >Spring indoor cauliflower <
click add> now I am back in GA047S02 Tasks. click >done< I am back at GA047S01Tasks. I see the task in the list but I still have to add the dates. so I add the first date. But then realize that this way it only has an alert for this one date. So I still have to input all the other sowing dates.
I don't know, maybe I am missing something. But doing that, does not seem to save me much time. It seems to double the steps I have to take. If I have to select a task date for each specimen I named after date, I don't see the point doing that.
I also found there is no tutorial for that specimen program. I really could use one. Am I missing it, is it supposed to be there?
I have been playing around with the program for quite a while. I like the garden area part, where I can move plants into the beds, I like that I can make tasks and have an alert for them, so when I open the task program it tells me what I have to do. But I don't like that each year I have to redo the tasks for the new year. There is to much data input to do each year. It takes too much work doing it that way. I am slowly thinking this program might not do the job for organizing my vegetable planting that well, I am spending too much time trying making it work and I don't see I am making much headway with it.
It took me a month to make the spread sheet with the planting dates for my area, next I am planning to do a spread sheet which will have all the care info for the vegetables. Those spread sheet, as I come across new info, I quickly can add it. It is easy to use. I can print it out and hang it like a calendar on the wall. always have the info in front of me, quickly accessible. Once all info is in, that's all I have to do. Done!.
for my planting beds I found a easy program online from Gardener Supply Company. It is like a square foot garden bed program, works well for my beds. It is not perfect, does not have enough vegetable varieties as I like, but it is easy, workable. For the veggies it does not have, I just put something of similar size in there. I can print it out and write by hand in there what I am growing. Date it. Now I have a record for this particular garden bed.
I don't know Vegetable gardening is just different from the flower garden. Maybe IGPro is just not workable for this use. I am working so much to make it work for this use, I haven't even worked on the flower IGPro for 2 years :(
I am not saying I have given up yet, but I surely could use some suggestions how to make it work better.
It is getting too frustrating.
for now I think I just have to let it go, before I throw this computer out the window ::)
I think I will be playing a bit with my dog, who has been looking at me with sad, neglected eyes all day
Isabell :)
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OK, all I can say is - this is a BIG one.
I do have plans for a Garden Design program which will certainly do Planting Beds.
The program is in rough cut format but not ready for general release.
To be continued...
Heres my idea.
How about we lay this down as a challenge to all IG Pro members!
(We haven't had one for a while)
That way we can all learn.
I'd like a few vegetable names from Isabell (or other members) to start this off.
In the message I see:
Brassica Broccoverde
Lets have some more that you are growing please.
Isabell with veg, anyone else growing from seed.
I'll set them up on my computer, and do screenshots as we progress with the exercises.
You can follow on your own computer.
If you need help, we could link up with Skype and share screens. A great tool for demos and training.
Please reply to this topic if you'd like to "enrol on the course"
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George:
I'm very defintely interested in your's and Isabell's upcoming vegetable seed challenge. I will definitely participate, so count me in! I just purchased by vegetable, herb and flower seed packets last week.
If fact, I was going tell Isabell (and others) about an idea I saw online, about setting up a seed starting calendar. If you would like for me to elaborate on this seed starting idea to this topic, would be happy to oblige. I would imagine it would be part of EVENTS by the time we got through with it.
- Toby
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i am up for a challenge plan to grow a few veggies this year such as tatties, peas, carrots, onions, here is a list of seeds that i purchased to grow and sell
Beetroot F1 Pablo.
Brussels Sprout Evesham Special.
Cabbage F1 Advantage.
Carrot F1 Ulyses.
Cauliflower All The Year Round.
Lettuce Little Gem.
Maincrop Onion F1 Bugatti.
Salad Onion White Lisbon.
Pea Feltham First.
Tomato Gardener's Delight.
Is this the sort of info you are after george, dont go to fast on the challeng(getting old you know ;) ) seriously it will be something to contribute to when i have nothing else to do ::)
Phil
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If fact, I was going tell Isabell (and others) about an idea I saw online, about setting up a seed starting calendar.
- Toby
do you havea link toby
Thanks Phil
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Phil:
Not trying to be non-cooperative, and I most definitely have plans to share what information I can give, but let's share it all with George, Isabell and Other Members at the same time. I will pass the link onto George and let him introduce it, if he so chooses.
If George wishes me to give some preliminary information on what I'm doing right now to create my seed planting calendar, via the Forum, will be happy to do so!
I realize that this is the time we think about seed starting, and time is going fast! But, he's the boss as far as I'm concerned.
Hope you understand.
- Toby!
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Hi George,
I am feeling a bit better today, seems I had a bad cold coming to me, that took all my resolve out of me and turned it into a big 'humpf'
So even I know am totally stuffed up, to the point I can barely breath, my head is pounding, I guess just to remind me it is still there and I don't feel very good today, I sure hope it is not the flu.
Your message of help is giving me some resolve back. I just don't know if I can do much today on the computer. The truth it hurts to look at the computer screen.
But I am all for it, enroll me in your class, please
At least I will give you some vegetables names I have, I am giving you some which would have to be sown in succession or where I grow several varieties of the same kind for evaluation.
here we go
Carrots, sown every three weeks, several varieties I use to evaluate
These are just 3 varieties I use: Daucus carrot var. sativus 'Danvers 126 Half Long'
Daucus carrot var. sativus 'Little Finger'
Daucus carrot var. sativus 'Royal Chantenay'
Lettuce, sown every 2 weeks: Romaine - Lactuca sativa 'Cimmaron'
Butterhead - Lactuca sativa 'Marvel Of Four Seasons'
Looseleaf - Lactuca sativa 'Red Oak Leaf'
That should do you for making some exercises, right?
Actually there are some more vegetables in my 'plant names' post
Toby, I made a seed planning calendar for myself with the Open office spread sheet program. I put it on my blog to share and added the link to it into my post in the Vegetable garden section of the IG forum the other day. I could see, nobody has seen it yet.
Here is another link to it: http://diegartenfrau.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-garden-season-just-around-corner.html
you find the link to the planting chart on the bottom of post. It is a work of process and I will improve it as I go. But because the planting season is coming I thought I share it anyway. It is made for the Northwest region of Williamette Valley. Zone 7b to 8
I gotta get off now, this head is pounding me :)
Isabell
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Correction: actually link post is in the 'our garden' section of forum, Generell discussion
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NOTE: Website for these Lessons:
http://www.garden-software.co.uk/vegetables/
OK, I'm encouraged by the quick response already, so lets get started
Lesson 1
Lets start with plant names. Lets look at Isabells list:
These are just 3 varieties I use: Daucus carrot var. sativus 'Danvers 126 Half Long'
Daucus carrot var. sativus 'Little Finger'
Daucus carrot var. sativus 'Royal Chantenay'
Lettuce, sown every 2 weeks: Romaine - Lactuca sativa 'Cimmaron'
Butterhead - Lactuca sativa 'Marvel Of Four Seasons'
Looseleaf - Lactuca sativa 'Red Oak Leaf'
Now, I'm normally I'm a "strictly botanical plant names" guy.
In the case of vegetables, I'm going to suggest we bend the rules.
Isabell has correctly shown us in our list that:
The botanical plant name for Lettuce is Lactuca sativa
The botanical plant name for Carrot is Daucus carota
Some others are:
Leek - Allium porrum
Pea - Pisum sativum
Parsnip - Pastinaca sativa
etc.
I for one would not recommend that you go telling your neighbours that you are growing Pastinaca and Daucus ::)
So... lets drop the Botanical names for our VEGETABLE database (but not in our Flowers and Shrubs database of course!)
Isabells list now becomes:
Carrot 'Danvers 126 Half Long'
Carrot 'Little Finger'
Carrot 'Royal Chantenay'
Lettuce 'Cimmaron'
Lettuce 'Marvel Of Four Seasons'
Lettuce 'Red Oak Leaf'
Phils list becomes
Beetroot 'F1 Pablo'
Brusselssprout 'Evesham Special'
(Note Ive bent the rules a bit more and made Brusselssprout all one word so it goes into the Genus field)
Cabbage 'F1 Advantage'
Carrot 'F1 Ulyses'
Cauliflower 'All The Year Round'
Lettuce 'Little Gem'
Onion 'F1 Bugatti'
Onion 'White Lisbon'
Pea 'Feltham First'
Tomato 'Gardener's Delight'
Use GA027 to ADD each of these plants, as follows.
Copy and paste (or type) the plants names into the Plant name field
Using Carrot 'Danvers 126 Half Long' as an example, watch what happens on the RHS of your screen.
IG automatically enters Carrot into the Genus field.
and - enters Danvers 126 Half Long into the cultivar field
Heres a web page for Lesson 1, with a link to a screen shot
http://www.garden-software.co.uk/vegetables/Sess01/sess01.html
Do that for each of your plants
End of Lesson 1
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George:
Thanks, for bending the rules. Now you're speaking US language. My seed packets don't use the Botanical Name, so I would have to research each one to come up with the Botanical names.
I entered all my vegetables, fruits, herbs that way from the very beginning. Evidently the hard way, because I did not know that GA027 would do that. But by golly I did a trial entry, and it worked, just as you said it would.
That means I can send you my whole vegetable list if you want it. The list contains about 75+ names (some are no longer available), but it also includes the established plants that I have obtained, like strawberries, raspberries, blueberries, rhubarb, etc.
- Toby
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The list contains about 75+ names (some are no longer available), but it also includes the established plants that I have obtained, like strawberries, raspberries, blueberries, rhubarb, etc.
Veg
Lets just concentrate on the ones you are growing this year, Toby.
We'll add them to this Project
the established plants
Lets have your list for all of these
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done lesson 1 ;D
Regarding botanical names i looked on my UK wholesalers website and they do not use botanical names you get for example Lettuce Cos Little Gem I also checked on a well known retail site and they do not use botanical names,
Do different countries use botanical names ?
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Phil:
Not trying to be non-cooperative, and I most definitely have plans to share what information I can give, but let's share it all with George, Isabell and Other Members at the same time. I will pass the link onto George and let him introduce it, if he so chooses.
If George wishes me to give some preliminary information on what I'm doing right now to create my seed planting calendar, via the Forum, will be happy to do so!
I realize that this is the time we think about seed starting, and time is going fast! But, he's the boss as far as I'm concerned.
Hope you understand.
- Toby!
no worries i shall wait with great anticipation as to where this link will lead us ;D
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George:
I believe that there is an easy way to give you the two lists, besides keying them anew. As if, I was a Professional Landscape Person, and you were my prospective client, and I want to send you a suggested vegetable plant list for your approval before I plant them?
Or is there a simple(?) Copy and Paste procedure?
Phil: See recent posting under new topic for the Seed Starting Guide!
- Toby
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Or is there a simple(?) Copy and Paste procedure?
Not yet Toby :-[
Its something at the top of my own list. Should be simple enough.
RE (Phil) Lettuce Cos Little Gem I also checked on a well known retail site and they do not use botanical names,
Do different countries use botanical names ?
Botanical names are universal, so (mercifully) they are exactly the same in every country.
Most good seed suppliers I've seen today actually do give the Botanical name. I was rather surprised!
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Session 2 has just been posted
http://www.garden-software.co.uk/vegetables/GetPlantInfo/getplantinfo.html
I hope all IG Pro users can find time to follow the sessions in this Project.
As you will see as the website develops, its a very essential section of the User Guide.
Also, I'm explaining features as I go along, as I'd like to make sure everyone knows what "all dem buttons" do ;D
Session 2 deals with using the Google buttons to surf the net for info, and how to capture data efficiently, and where best to save it (as you know IG has loads of data fields).
You'll find lots of screenshots with help balloons, created using Snagit. Its a wonderful tool!
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Hi George,
I just started inputting some of the names. At first I was a bit sad, because your instructions do not involve keeping the Genus names intact.
Remember I like to learn the botanical names I am just not up to snuff remembering most of them. ;)
But as I followed you instructions and the Name Carrot was in the Genus field, with automatically putting the cultivar still in the proper field, a light bulb went off.
One can add the genus in the same field then Carrot.
So instead writing Carrot I named it Carrot-Daucus and then put the var. sativus into the species field.
Now I have the vegetable sorted by the common name, but still get to see the Genus in the proper field anyway.
That will make things much easier, because now I don't have to retype so much, I just add the common name to all my vegetables I have in the program. And I still get to learn the family of plants/vegetables 8)
I am probably not getting to far today. I still have a pounding head, thinking I might have the flu, even it is not as bad as yesterday but I know it will get worse as the day goes on.
But I like what you are doing here. These lessons are greatly appreciated.
And for that a big Thank You and Hug :D
till later
Isabell
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Awwww shucks :-[
Take it easy until you are feeling better Isabell. We had flu symptoms a week or so before Christmas. It was a good excuse for a sip of the Juice of the Barley. My dad, a strict teetotaler, bought a half bottle of the stuff when he felt a flu coming on. He "retired" to bed until next day - and back to work! It seems to work for me as well :D
RE: So instead writing Carrot I named it Carrot-Daucus and then put the var. sativus into the species field.
Now I have the vegetable sorted by the common name, but still get to see the Genus in the proper field anyway.
That will make things much easier, because now I don't have to retype so much, I just add the common name to all my vegetables I have in the program. And I still get to learn the family of plants/vegetables
Unorthodox, but since we are bending the rules AND since you already have data in your database, then OK, but I'd recommend other members use the plant names above.
Personally, I'm quite happy with Carrot as the Genus, and if I wanted a reminder, I would put the Botanical name in one of the data fields.
A wee message to Toby (our expert and champion in the field of Plant Labels)
Ive added a very important section to the Vegetables Project User Guide ;)
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EDITED by George on 29th Jan
Begin Edit
When adding Cultivars in GA027, make sure you enclose the cultivar name like this:
'Cultivar name'
NOT like this
?Cultivar name?
Whats the difference?
The single quote to use before AND after the cultivar name text should be the character on the button on your keyboard which has the @ sign and the correct ' character.
If you DONT use the correct character, GA027 will NOT recognise it as a cultivar name
Ive corrected the items in the list down to the dashed line.
To see what I mean, click add a plant in GA027.
Use Copy (e.g. Ctrl-C) one of the items I havent edited and paste (Ctrl-V) into the Plant name field in GA100S40.
Look at the Botanical name translation on the right. It gets it wrong.
Now copy one of the items Ive edited and add to GA027.
Correct?
Below that dashed line needs to be edited and fixed by a dashing young volunteer ;)
END Edit
VEGETABLE LIST:
Bean Pole 'Garden Blue Lake Pole'
Bean Pole 'Kentucky Wonder Pole'
Beet 'Lutz Greenleaf'
Broccoli 'Purple Sprouting'
Broccoli 'Waltham 29'
Brusselssprouts 'Long Island'
Cabbage 'Danish Ballhead'
Cabbage 'Jersey Wakefield'
Cabbage 'Red Acre'
Carrot 'Danvers Half Long'
Carrot 'Imperator'
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Carrot ?Red Core Chantenay?
Corn ?Bodacious?
Corn ?Earlivee?
Corn ?Early Sunglow?
Corn ?Golden Jubilee?
Cucumber ?Marketmore 76?
Cucumber ?Muncher?
Cucumber ?Smr 58?
Eggplant ?Twilight Hybrid?
Kale ?Russian Red?
Kohlrabi ?Purple Vienna?
Kohlrabi ?White Vienna?
Lettuce ?Bon Vivant?
Lettuce ?Buttercrunch (bibb)?
Lettuce ?Gourmet Blend?
Lettuce ?Red Romaine?
Lettuce ?Red Sails?
Onion ?Evergreen White Bunching?
Onion ?Yellow Globe?
Parsnip ?Andover?
Pepper ?Calwonder 300?
Pepper ?Sweet Banana?
Radish ?French Breakfast?
Radish ?Early Scarlet Globe?
Salsify ?Mammoth Sandwich Island?
Spinach ?Olympia Smith Lf Lng Std?
Spinach ?Samish Savoy Hybrid?
Spinach ?Semi-savoy Tyee
Squash summer ?Table Queen, Bush Acorn?
Squash winter ?Blue Hubbard?
Squash zuchinni ?Black Beauty Bush?
Squash zuchinni ?Jackpot Hybrid Bush?
VEGETABLE LIST (continued):
Swiss Chard ?Pac Choi/bok Choy Chinmustard?
Swiss Chard ?Rainbow Blend?
Swiss Chard ?Rhubarb?
Tomato ?Gold Nugget?
Tomato ?Legend?
Tomato ?San Marzano, Roman Type?
Tomato ?Siletz?
Tomato ?Sweetie?
Turnip/rutabaga ?American Purple Top?
Turnip/rutabaga ?Purple Top White Globe?
ESTABLISHED PLANT LIST:
Blackberry ?Evergreen?
Blueberry ?Darrow?
Blueberry ?Earliblue?
Boysen Berry ?Unknow #1?
Logan Berry ?Unknown #1?
Raspberry ?Unknown #1?
Strawberry `Rainier/tristar?
- Toby
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That took a while to prepare!
Easier at this end to copy and paste!
Are you growing ALL those vegetables this year?
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George:
I hope to! They are 2010 seeds.
Plus some more!
Might as well, I have the seed.
Remember, I'm feeding friends of mine,
they get hungry, too!
If it's easier for you, cut the list down, just to a representation.
- Toby
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Regarding the discussion on Botanical names being universal in nature.
I think what you get in plant information depends on whom or where the source of information might be coming from, particularly in regard to seed packets. The seeds I use are from a local seed packaging source that has trial gardens in a city nearby. I purchase those seeds for that reason, that is, they will grow in my locality. Their distribution of the seed racks must be enormous, because they can be found everywhere from garden centers to drug stores to grocery stores.
The people that frequent those venues are from all walks of life, and probably ?don?t give a hoot? about botanical names, as long as it has a picture of a pea pod on the front of the pack, and the pack tells them how to grow the pea, it suits them just fine. It is also possible that they don?t speak or read English.
I would like to impress on those of you that would like to take Seed Growing one step further is to make sure that you retain the best seed catalogs you get in the mail that might have the information you want. They are excellent sources. I use a large A-Z reference book, along with seed company catalog(s) (2009 and 2010) from a company located in the state of Oregon (Isabell?s state), that supplies lots of plant information. Also, I use ChilternSeeds 2009 and 2010 catalogs and several more. .
Last night I was trying to find information regarding a flowering plant ?Purple Coneflower?. I could not find any mention of ?coneflower? in my reference book I found what I was looking for from an alphabetical list in the catalog from Oregon.?Echinacea spp. With that lead I then found it both in Chiltern Seeds and my reference book.
- Toby
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for information how to grow your vegetables.
I just bought their book, it is the best info for growing veggies I have found
http://www.harvestwizard.com/
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re botanical names, i had to check to make sure, i looked on
http://www.molesseeds.co.uk/flower_and_vegetable_seed_store_uk/Products_Little_Gem_4183.html (http://www.molesseeds.co.uk/flower_and_vegetable_seed_store_uk/Products_Little_Gem_4183.html) which is wholesalers and i also looked on
http://www.suttons.co.uk/Shop/Vegetable+Seeds/Lettuce+Little+Gem+Seeds+169291.htm (http://www.suttons.co.uk/Shop/Vegetable+Seeds/Lettuce+Little+Gem+Seeds+169291.htm)
maybe the dont use the botanical names as you would commonly refer to a lettuce as a lettuce, a runner bean as a runner bean etc,
if i told some one that i was growing a veg plant and i used a botanical name i may get my collar felt by the gardai :o that would be funny come and raid my greenhouse and find tomatoes growing ;D :D
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Just make sure you dont grow any C. sativa : :D
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Just make sure you dont grow any C. sativa : :D
had to google that ::) ;D
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done lesson 2 all went well until i came to save, it would not save kept on asking for a plant type, so into Files Plant Types GAO18 click on it screen GAO18S01 appears, click on add a new plant type and in the next screen i added Vegetables in top box Then Veg in lower box and save, then re open the plant you were working on (you had to close it down without saving the first time) and in plant group dropdown will be vegetables, select vegetables
and follow georges instructions and have fun
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Yip, I didn't describe that bit, so thats useful.
Ive defined the plant type as Vegetable (using GA018)
I see some seed suppliers who describe Veg as Annuals, so its up to the user.
Another tip:
If editing, and you don't have the correct plant type, then use one of the existing ones and save.
Then use GA018, add the required plant type, go back and edit the plant and correct the plant type. Saves losing data by cancelling without saving.
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i just did as a vegetable, the ones i have are gonna get eaten :P this year so they wont have a chance to grow again so not perrenials, good tip of yours aswell
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done lesson 2 all went well until i came to save, it would not save kept on asking for a plant type, so into Files Plant Types GAO18 click on it screen GAO18S01 appears, click on add a new plant type and in the next screen i added Vegetables in top box Then Veg in lower box and save, then re open the plant you were working on (you had to close it down without saving the first time) and in plant group dropdown will be vegetables, select vegetables
and follow georges instructions and have fun
to add to this if you wanted to be more specific you could do this (going on a four year crop rotation here)
Vegetables Brassicas - cabbages etc
Vegetables Roots - onions carrots etc
Vegetables Legumes - peas and beans
Vegetables Potatoe- potatoe
Fruit Tomatoe - Tomatoes are fruit i beleive any corrections most welcome
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George:
I'm not progressing too far with Lesson 2 either;
When I get to: Copy the data. 'Click on Surf Board button, and paste the data into the surfboard'. My Surf Board image, which I have printed out as hard copy if you want to see it, at the top is: http://humeseeds/ sqshbnt. htm which I was using for my testing.
Then comes the text from the personal email which I had sent to you earlier this morning regarding Skype and Logitech Webcam, which I had copied from M/S Word via clipboard to send to you. (???)
Then comes text that looks like it might have been used in illustrated training sessions for Genie: (line for line)
http://www.mobot.org/gardeninghelp/plantfinder/Plant.asp?code=A337about:blank
Soil: Humus-rich, moist but well-drained
Aspect: Light dappled shade
Hardiness: Half hardy
http://www.rhs.org.uk/whatson/gardens/rosemoor/archive/rosemoorpom05apr.asp
Look familiar?
I've tried clearing all of this text from the Surf Board, but I can't. I can't get my copy to appear.
- Toby
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at the top is: http://humeseeds/ sqshbnt. htm which I was using for my testing.
Did you click the + button?
If yes, that that has worked.
The URL has been copied to the surfboard, and as the Lesson states,it adds it to the very top of the text in the surfboard.
When you get back to GA100S40, you can copy that line, and paste it into the Plant Data field.
Let me know if you succeed with that.
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Next the other text
Thats the data that was copied ONTO your clipboard BEFORE you started to use GA027.
You must have copied it when you sent my email.
When you use edit, Select then Copy etc, the data is copied to the clipboard.
Unlike the surfboard in IG Pro, the clipboard is not visible, and cant be edited, or added to.
The data is held in memory (called the clipboard)
What went wrong in 2?
Looks like you didnt copy the data in the website you were visiting.
You pasted OK (and the data you pasted was old data on the clipboard), but you hadnt copied from the web site you were viewing before pasting.
So, keep on trying with Copy and Paste.
Shortcuts:
Ctrl-C= Copy (highlight the data first to select it)
Ctrl-V= Paste
Ctrl-X= Cut (you can clear the SURFBOARD with that - again, select (highlight) the data you want to cut first)
NOTE: When you copy, the data is added to the CLIPBOARD. You are holding it there in memory until you use it somewhere.
Guess where you use it? When you PASTE into the Surfboard (in this instance)
Make sense?
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A Page from Book -- Greenhouse Gardener's Companion:
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Once more:
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Mission accomplished!! Yippee!!
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Well done Toby
Its a very good scan - it can be read easily - very legible.
And good information :)
Message to Isabell:
How are you getting on with all this?
Ready for Lesson 3?
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Oh not at all,
I have been coughing and hacking so much, it is exhausting so I actually have not done much at all. My computer is always booted up in the morning and I have my my windows with the latest taps always open automatically. So it very often looks like I am logged on but in truth I might be nursing my flu, or wash dishes etc. >lol<
I did once do the google thing and the google window coming up in my page looked like greek or russian orthodox lettering to me. The search links were whatever language they came from, but the window certainly was neither english or german.
My google on Firefox Browser looks just normal. Only the one in IGPro looks funny.
I couldn't figure out how to do a screen shot of it to send to you, otherwise I would have shared it with you.
How do I add a screen shot to a post anyway? I looked at all the buttons above and I did not figure out which one I should use?
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Sounds like you really are under the weather, Isabell
Get well soon!
Do you have Internet Explorer (IE) on your computer?
If you don't, then the Google search in IG pro will not work.
Google button search creates an instance of IE inside IG Pro screen.
If you do, what version is it? (Click Help-> About Internet Explorer to find out)
Posting photos, click Additional Options (below left the text region while you type a message)
Then click Browse to find an image
It must be less than 125kb.
You can resize photos using Tools-> Resize Photos - GA051 on the IG pro menu.
We've just finished taking Toby through the steps to use that program, and posting an image on the forum.
Heres the topic:
http://www.flowergenie.co.uk/ideas/forum/index.php?topic=1319.msg8985;topicseen#msg8985
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So I am trying to add this picture of the IGpro google screen here, also did you get my message about resetting license?
I do have the Internet Explorer and the google seems to work it does show search links, only it does have funny lettering included, unlike my firefox browser google searches.
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I can see EXACTLY what you have done.
Look in the popup bottom right of the page.
You have selected google.gr
i.e. google Greek :D
That WOULD explain why you are getting "strange" characters from "strange" websites (unless you happen to be Greek of course)
Solution is simple.
Change that pop-up to google.com and click the Set button.
That will direct your queries to google.com.
The Set button will set this as default so you can use it every time to do a Google search from IG Pro
In your case, you may prefer to use google.de (German)
Good thing is, you've highlighted another nice IG Pro feature Isabell and made other members aware of it.
RE: Resetting licence
We will deal with that by email
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First I thought, Oh, how could I have missed it.
but now I tried to select the google.com and this are my choices I see
I have
google.be/belgian
google.co.uk/english
google.com.sg/singapore
google.de/germany
google.es/espanol
google.gr/greek
google.ie/irish
google.nl/dutch
google.no/norsk
maybe my google.com/us is missing? Where did it go?
I actually prefer to look for information at the google.com/us google, instead the german because the information I find is more suited to my climate. Occasionally I look at the german info if I am looking for specific information
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The popup list should read (in this order):
google.be
google.co.uk
google.com
google.com.sg
google.de
google.es
google.gr
google.ie
google.nl
google.no
Yours is google.com and you'll probably like google.de
Please confirm that you can see google.com.
Other members:
Do you see all entries in this list on your installation?
Dont forget to click the Set button to save your preferred selection
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i see as you see george ;D
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that is the problem.
I don't see google.com it is just exactly as I listed in order
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I wonder, could it be because I use google already in my firefox browser. I have my browser always open, with several google searches
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did george say the search function uses IE, maybe you need to set google.com as your default search provider in internet explorer, could be wrong wait for an expert
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No, its not that Isabell.
Do this download:
http://www.ideasgenie.com/updates-igpro/igpro-fileset-ende.exe
That has the full set of Google search options
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Thank you George ;D
this fixed it!
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Great!
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Darn, I just was going to share what I was doing and how I am progressing. But when I wanted to use the symbol for temperature using Alt 248, everything got lost the post field just went away. Can I not use this feature when I write here?
I see if I can get it back together, bummer I was almost done writing and I don't have much time to get it done.
Here we go again :(
I am not sure if you George are waiting for me until I am done with the vegetable data input using the google feature, but I have so many vegetables in there I don't think I could get it done that quick, especially before my growing season starts again.
I do have a few of the vegetables done with data using the google copy/paste feature,
not that I don't think it is not useful, but I think I need to input the data first which I need for the new season first and I have this wonderful book "The Kitchen Garden Grower's Guide" by Stephen Albert, which has all the data I need to know, so I decided I will use it to find the growing info.
So instead I have been working on the file program GA003S01 and deleted the cultural grades I did not need for vegetables and added or changed Cultural requirements using the information from the book, then after that I am going through the book again for each vegetable and then set up the cultural requirement in the profile. That should give me the most important information in a precise, short form.
So here are my new and changed cultural grades:
*Application > grades: Cold Greenhouse, warm Greenhouse, cold frame, raised bed, pot culture, Herb Garden, Vegetable Garden
*Container growing > grades: yes, no
*Crop Rotation > grades: Group A, Group B, Group C, Group D, Group E, Group F,
*days to germination > grades: 5-7 days, 10-14 days, 14-18 days.......
*days to maturity > grades: 40 days, 60 days, 90 days, 120 days
*disease problems > grades: mildew, scap, yellows, leaf spot
*Flowering time > grades: early spring, mid spring, late spring....same for the other seasons
* Frost tolerance > grades: yes, no, I also will add temperature grades to this as I come across them
*Germinating soil temperature > grades: 40-55, 40-75, 50-65, ........here I got quite a few, because so many vegetables are specific in that
*growing form> grades: Bush, Pole, upright, low, spreading, determinate, indeterminate, vine
*growing soil temperature > grades: 50-65, 40-70, .......
* hardiness zones >I kept that as is
*Harvest > grades: plump, seeds harden, tender, enlarged, succession, start 40 days after sowing, start 60 days after sowing .....
*Heat tolerance > grades: yes, no, shade when hot,
*Pest problems > grades: snails, aphids, flea beetles, white fly, cabbage moth
*planting depth > grades: crown just above soil level, 6" deep, .....
*plant outdoor after last frost > grades: 2 weeks, 3 weeks, 4 weeks, 5 weeks, 6 weeks.....
*plant outdoor before last frost > grades: 2 weeks, 4 weeks, 5 week, 6 week
*plant outdoor before 1st frost > grades: 3 week, 4 week, 5 week, .....
*propagation methods > grades: seed, herbaceous cutting, off shoots/suckers,
*Root depth > grades: shallow, medium deep, deep
*Seed collecting > grades: sterile seed, dry on plant, dry in dry area, ......
*Seed depth > grades: 1/4", !/4-1/5", 1/4-1/2", 1/2", 1/5".......
*Seed life > grades: 1 year, 3 years, 5 years, 6 years, ......
*Seed indoor after last frost > grades: 1 week, 2 week, 3 week, ........
*Seed indoor Before 1st Frost > grades: 2 week, 3 week, 4 week.......
* Seed indoor before last Frost > grades: 2 week, 4 week, 6 week
*Seed outdoor after last frost > grades: 1 week, 2 week.......
*Seed outdoor before 1st frost >grades: 2 week, 4 week.....
*Seed outdoor before last frost > grades: As soon as soil can be worked, 2 week, 3 week, .....
*soil ph > grades: left that as is
*Soil type > grades: added a few like Well drained, humus rich, well manured, consistent moist, fertile
*spacing in sowing > grades: 1/2", 1 ", 2".......12',
*spacing in thinning > grades: 1 1/2", 2"......12"
*spacing in transplanting > grades: 6", 12", 1' 6", 4'
*sunlight requirements > grades: added....8 hours or more sun,
*succession sowing > grades: every 2 week, every 3 week, .......
* transplant outdoor age > grades: 4-6 week, 6-8 week, .....
* transplant outdoor temperature > grades: above 50, above 60, above 70, below 75.......
*Vegetable storage > grades: at 50 F, above 35, wrap in plastic, root cellar.....
*Water > grades: added ....moderate and even, evenly moist, light but not dry
*Winter planting > grades: Cold frame, Green house unheated, Green house heated, Outdoor in mild winter climate
So now all I have to do go through the book and add first the vegetables I need to start soon, so I can get started to be organized.
So if you want to proceed to the next lesson, go ahead. Please don't wait for me.
till later,
Isabell
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Thats very impressive Isabell.
I shall add those grades to the demo database I am preparing as I progress with this project.
I'll start to the next lesson tomorrow.
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Please read the editing Ive done to Toby's posting in this topic on January 16, 2010
(Hope you excuse me for that Toby :-\)
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George:
Editing the copy of my Post is fine, but you're going have to help be find where that (mark) is hiding, because on my keyboard the @ sign is caps on number 2, and always has been. Are American keyboards manufactured differently? I've three computer keyboards in the house, and they are all the same!! That single 'quote mark' is all that's here. Maybe it's a special symbol.
JohnB what's your keyboard like? Isabell?
- Toby
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EDITED by George on 29th Jan
Begin Edit
When adding Cultivars in GA027, make sure you enclose the cultivar name like this:
'Cultivar name'
NOT like this
?Cultivar name?
Whats the difference?
The single quote to use before AND after the cultivar name text should be the character on the button on your keyboard which has the @ sign and the correct ' character.
If you DONT use the correct character, GA027 will NOT recognise it as a cultivar name
Ive corrected the items in the list down to the dashed line.
To see what I mean, click add a plant in GA027.
Use Copy (e.g. Ctrl-C) one of the items I havent edited and paste (Ctrl-V) into the Plant name field in GA100S40.
Look at the Botanical name translation on the right. It gets it wrong.
Now copy one of the items Ive edited and add to GA027.
Correct?
Below that dashed line needs to be edited and fixed by a dashing young volunteer ;)
END Edit
VEGETABLE LIST:
Bean Pole 'Garden Blue Lake Pole'
Bean Pole 'Kentucky Wonder Pole'
Beet 'Lutz Greenleaf'
Broccoli 'Purple Sprouting'
Broccoli 'Waltham 29'
Brusselssprouts 'Long Island'
Cabbage 'Danish Ballhead'
Cabbage 'Jersey Wakefield'
Cabbage 'Red Acre'
Carrot 'Danvers Half Long'
Carrot 'Imperator'
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Carrot ?Red Core Chantenay?
Corn ?Bodacious?
Corn ?Earlivee?
Corn ?Early Sunglow?
Corn ?Golden Jubilee?
Cucumber ?Marketmore 76?
Cucumber ?Muncher?
Cucumber ?Smr 58?
Eggplant ?Twilight Hybrid?
Kale ?Russian Red?
Kohlrabi ?Purple Vienna?
Kohlrabi ?White Vienna?
Lettuce ?Bon Vivant?
Lettuce ?Buttercrunch (bibb)?
Lettuce ?Gourmet Blend?
Lettuce ?Red Romaine?
Lettuce ?Red Sails?
Onion ?Evergreen White Bunching?
Onion ?Yellow Globe?
Parsnip ?Andover?
Pepper ?Calwonder 300?
Pepper ?Sweet Banana?
Radish ?French Breakfast?
Radish ?Early Scarlet Globe?
Salsify ?Mammoth Sandwich Island?
Spinach ?Olympia Smith Lf Lng Std?
Spinach ?Samish Savoy Hybrid?
Spinach ?Semi-savoy Tyee
Squash summer ?Table Queen, Bush Acorn?
Squash winter ?Blue Hubbard?
Squash zuchinni ?Black Beauty Bush?
Squash zuchinni ?Jackpot Hybrid Bush?
VEGETABLE LIST (continued):
Swiss Chard ?Pac Choi/bok Choy Chinmustard?
Swiss Chard ?Rainbow Blend?
Swiss Chard ?Rhubarb?
Tomato ?Gold Nugget?
Tomato ?Legend?
Tomato ?San Marzano, Roman Type?
Tomato ?Siletz?
Tomato ?Sweetie?
Turnip/rutabaga ?American Purple Top?
Turnip/rutabaga ?Purple Top White Globe?
ESTABLISHED PLANT LIST:
Blackberry ?Evergreen?
Blueberry ?Darrow?
Blueberry ?Earliblue?
Boysen Berry ?Unknow #1?
Logan Berry ?Unknown #1?
Raspberry ?Unknown #1?
Strawberry `Rainier/tristar?
- Toby
a dashing young volunteer has arrived ::)
VEGETABLE LIST:
Bean Pole 'Garden Blue Lake Pole'
Bean Pole 'Kentucky Wonder Pole'
Beet 'Lutz Greenleaf'
Broccoli 'Purple Sprouting'
Broccoli 'Waltham 29'
Brusselssprouts 'Long Island'
Cabbage 'Danish Ballhead'
Cabbage 'Jersey Wakefield'
Cabbage 'Red Acre'
Carrot 'Danvers Half Long'
Carrot 'Imperator'
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Carrot 'Red Core Chantenay'
Corn 'Bodacious'
Corn 'Earlivee'
Corn 'Early Sunglow'
Corn 'Golden Jubilee'
Cucumber 'Marketmore 76'
Cucumber 'Muncher'
Cucumber 'Smr 58'
Eggplant 'Twilight Hybrid'
Kale 'Russian Red'
Kohlrabi 'Purple Vienna'
Kohlrabi 'White Vienna'
Lettuce 'Bon Vivant'
Lettuce 'Buttercrunch (bibb)'
Lettuce 'Gourmet Blend'
Lettuce 'Red Romaine'
Lettuce 'Red Sails'
Onion 'Evergreen White Bunching'
Onion 'Yellow Globe'
Parsnip 'Andover'
Pepper 'Calwonder 300'
Pepper 'Sweet Banana'
Radish 'French Breakfast'
Radish 'Early Scarlet Globe'
Salsify 'Mammoth Sandwich Island'
Spinach 'Olympia Smith Lf Lng Std'
Spinach 'Samish Savoy Hybrid'
Spinach 'Semi-savoy Tyee'
Squash summer 'Table Queen, Bush Acorn'
Squash winter 'Blue Hubbard'
Squash zuchinni 'Black Beauty Bush'
Squash zuchinni 'Jackpot Hybrid Bush'
VEGETABLE LIST (continued):
Swiss Chard 'Pac Choi/bok Choy Chinmustard'
Swiss Chard 'Rainbow Blend'
Swiss Chard 'Rhubarb'
Tomato 'Gold Nugget'
Tomato 'Legend'
Tomato 'San Marzano, Roman Type'
Tomato 'Siletz'
Tomato 'Sweetie'
Turnip/rutabaga 'American Purple Top'
Turnip/rutabaga 'Purple Top White Globe'
ESTABLISHED PLANT LIST:
Blackberry 'Evergreen'
Blueberry 'Darrow'
Blueberry 'Earliblue'
Boysen Berry 'Unknow #1'
Logan Berry 'Unknown #1'
Raspberry 'Unknown #1'
Strawberry 'Rainier/tristar'
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George:
Editing the copy of my Post is fine, but you're going have to help be find where that (mark) is hiding, because on my keyboard the @ sign is caps on number 2, and always has been. Are American keyboards manufactured differently? I've three computer keyboards in the house, and they are all the same!! That single 'quote mark' is all that's here. Maybe it's a special symbol.
JohnB what's your keyboard like? Isabell?
- Toby
I think american keyboards are different on all my 4 the ' mark is under the @ but same key, no need to press any other keys to get the ' to appear have done your veg list, saved you a job ;)
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Aha!
Open a new document in Microsoft WORD
Copy this
Tomato 'Siletz'
and paste into the document
It shows up perfectly
NOW, try TYPING the same text, using the ' on the same button as the @ (on my UK keyboard) in BOTH instances.
It comes out like THIS
Tomato ?Silenz?
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Session 3 is now posted and ready for the eager students to return to the classroom:
http://www.garden-software.co.uk/vegetables/specimens/specimens.html
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strange just done as you said in wordpad and
Tomato 'Siletz' yours
Tomato 'Siletz' mine
to get the ` mark mine in top left hand key next to number 1
what country keyboard havei got southern ireland ???
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Phil: First of all, thank you for the favor of correcting my listing of veggies.
I'm not too sure if I'm following all of this or not, but Phil, I have on my keyboard left to the figure 1 and !, a slanted to the right ' for lower case, and a 'up/down' horizontal marking that as I remember is used for marking pronunciation in Spanish language and is called a tilde, upper case. Is this the lower case key that I should have used in marking my veggies?
Thanks, George. Am off to Session 3.
- Toby
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No, not that one Toby.
That one has a little "tilt" to the left.
The one you are looking for is vertical
Its the single quote key. Can you find the single quote key?
My tests:
In MS WORD it gives a single quote
In Notepad (open it and try) it gives the vertical symbol, and it does the same in IG Pro etc
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OK, I got to the last screen shot of Session 3!
Now, I will walk away from my computer and Genie Pro, and ask myself 'What did I do?'
Let all of that sink in, maybe sleep (my after lunch nap) on it.
And go back and do it with more meaning and thought. Many times, in fact!
It's just plain amazing what that guy George can do!
- Toby
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Glad that was an easy lesson ;D
As well as looking at the pretty pictures ;) did you actually create specimens as you went along Toby?
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have done all my veg once, just need to do it a second time to do the 2nd Sowing, am assuming that one can go back into it all later to enter sowing dates etc, question what are the selling prices amount fields for users who make a catalogue my first thoughts are, but then again if your like me and buy seeds of plants to sell the plants, you could enter what each plant would sell for, as it gives you a total, hm wanders off thinking and come back to it tomorrow ;D and agree with Toby that guy George sure is good, should be on the krypton factor ;)
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We will be dealing with sowing dates in the next Lesson Phil.
Its on Tasks
You can go back into your specimen profiles and make amendments at any time.
We will be revisiting those later in theis project.
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George:
Shame on you! Sure I acutally created specimens.
Had to back up a couple of times, to do it.
There are two things to consider, as one does the Sessions;
It's one thing to be told WHERE to 'click', another thing to
know WHY you 'clicked'.
Sometimes, it takes longer on the WHY than the WHERE.
It's all about how it all falls into the BIG, BIG picture, as Phil has just pointed out.
- Toby
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Gosh, its taking me HOURS to do each session, just explaining the WHERE's. Those screenshots need a lot of preparation.
Hopefully the WHY's will become apparent with familiarity ;)
Next lesson almost finished!!
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School bell rings...
Session 4 is now posted and ready for the eager students to return to the classroom:
Adding a task for the 1st Sowing
http://www.garden-software.co.uk/vegetables/AddingTasks1/addingtasks1.html
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...and to keep you busy on a cold winters day, heres Lesson 5
Editing a Task
http://www.garden-software.co.uk/vegetables/EditingTask/editingtask.html
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George and Others:
I am becoming very 'familiar' with Sesson 4.
(Still looking for the 'delete' button.)
I made it to the end, but . . . . . lots of errors on my part.
On Sesson 5, 'Screen Map' has 'rolls over', 'Test Screenshot' 'does not'.
Is this correct? Should both be same image?
(I hope the 'delete button' is in Sesson 5.)
- Toby
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If you mean in screen GA047S04, then the answer is - the delete button is a Trash can. Its the button just under the Save button, bottom centre of screen
On the Screen Map, if you get a blurred effect, look for the orange icon with 4 diagonal blue arrows. When you hover over it, it says: Expand to regular size. Click on it for clear image.
This is the test screen:
http://www.garden-software.co.uk/vegetables/ga047screens1.swf
Note that its a swf extension. More info here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SWF
If you hover over the rectangle containing GA047S09, a hand appears. You can click on the "hotspot" and a screenshot of GA047S09 appears.
Like all my other screenshots, the first one does not have hotspots:
http://www.garden-software.co.uk/vegetables/EditingTask/GA047Screens1.jpg
Question to all:
Can you click on that hotspot (on the Test screen) and see that next screenshot of GA047S09?
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Ive updated Lesson 5, to include instructions on how to delete a Task Date record using that Trash Can
http://www.garden-software.co.uk/vegetables/EditingTask/editingtask.html
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The Trash Can cleaned up all my mistakes, and now have just one Task to do.
However, that Task was scheduled for today, but since I won't be able to do it today,
I changed the date to next week.
I think I am OK on the Screen Map and Test Screenshot, and can see Screenshot GA047S09.
Thank you!
- Toby
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However, that Task was scheduled for today, but since I won't be able to do it today,
I changed the date to next week.
Hey, that happens a lot here, Toby!
I wasnt sure about the swf file. Good it works for you. Lets see what the others have to report.
Thanks for taking time out from your "real" garden to work on your virtual garden!
Hope you are enjoying it all :)
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George asked
"Question to all:
Can you click on that hotspot (on the Test screen) and see that next screenshot of GA047S09?"
Yes
Malcolm
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Thanks Malcolm
This project may be about vegetables, but most (if not all) of the things covered in the Lessons can be applied to garden plants in general. I hope all our members have time to spare to participate in the Project.
All comments and feedback is invaluable.
BTW, it takes MUCH longer to explain, than it does to actually DO the steps. Ive provided screenshots all the way to keep folk on track. Again that makes the steps to accomplish the creation and management of tasks seem lengthy.
With the guidance provided to establish a good understanding of the basics, all users should be able to do these things in seconds and with confidence.
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unable to see the test screen swf, browser opens ok but all i get is a little box top left hand horner :( checked on the wiki site and i have all items that are needed to view so dont know why i cant see it
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Thanks Phil.
Thats why I was reluctant to go that route.
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at least i served a purpose in not being able to view ;D
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Thats what testing is all about :)
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Found a bizarre bug in screen GA047S04
It wasn't of my making, but Ive made an amendment which has fixed it.
Please download latest version of GA047 (Tasks program)
http://www.ideasgenie.com/updates-igpro/GA047-dl.exe
At time of posting, its at Version 14
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So why can't Phil see the Test screen? :'(
Malcolm
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Pass... :-[
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George:
Have a suggestion to make on working with the materials in all of the Sessions. Particularly, since you are using the screenshots, and please continue to do so.
For example, Session 4 User Guide ? Vegetable Project ? Adding our first task, has several pages of Text, including references to 18 Screenshots.
I always do print-copies of the Text matter, and then print-out the Screenshots. Working with the print-copies is quite difficult to do, since I have so many pages to shuffle. The Text copies are numbered by my printer in the upper right corner, so sequence is easy to maintain. The Screenshots were another matter, no clue to which Screenshot belonged where.
So in the Text matter, I wrote a number next to each Screenshot, as #1, #2, and #3 up to #18. And then marked the print-copies of the Screenshots to match.
Is there an easier way to keep the Screen shots straight, as possibly, when you list the Screenshot in the text matter, could you code it, maybe like Screenshot/Adding Tasks 1/20-ga047s01, which is information for #18 supplied in the footer printed at the left bottom beneath the printed Screenshot?
The same I guess, as referring to Illustration l, Illustration 2, etc.
Can you make sense out of this suggestion?
- Toby
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OK Boss, I'll do something on cross-referencing.
Meanwhile, heres a tip, or two, to help you to identify them.
Visit the User Guide website.
1) Hover over a Screenshot link
The URL of the link you are "about to visit" (when/if you click) appears at the bottom of the web browser
When you visit the page and print, the same URL should appear at the bottom of the printed page
2) If you RIGHT click on a link, then click Properties, the Address/URL is given
3) In sessions 3, 4 and 5 the screenshots do follow an easily recognised sequence, Toby.
In Session 4, the first screenshot URL is
http://www.garden-software.co.uk/vegetables/AddingTasks1/1-ga011s01.jpg
2nd is:
http://www.garden-software.co.uk/vegetables/2-ga047s01.jpg
3rd is
http://www.garden-software.co.uk/vegetables/3-GA047S09.jpg
Note the "cues" in the screenshot order
1-
2-
3-
etc (that was for my own benefit! = now it useful to you)
The GAnnnSxx= screen names (where nnn= 047etc and xx is the screen number within a program)
They are in no sequence of course, since as you click buttons through the lesson various screens appear, then you finally return to the first screen etc
However, the screen names are clearly visible in the title bar of each screenshot
Does that help?
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Found a bizarre bug in screen GA047S04
It wasn't of my making, but Ive made an amendment which has fixed it.
Please download latest version of GA047 (Tasks program)
http://www.ideasgenie.com/updates-igpro/GA047-dl.exe
At time of posting, its at Version 14
downloaded, now at v14 still cant see that screen shot just a small square in top left corner, sorry :'(
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The update to GA047 is unrelated to the web site screenshots Phil.
From what I can see, the bug I worked around (in GA047) was within the software I use to produce IG Pro.
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all`s well then, thought the fix was what i could not see, wonder why cant i see it, never mind its strange ???
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It runs under Flash Phil. Its a good subject for another topic if you'd like to post the question Phil, with a link to the swf file page.
We can all learn from sorting that problem out.
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George:
Amazing! The title bar's really all I need, I think.
But, perhaps additional referencing might be a good thing to add as you continue with the Sessions.
Again, thank you!
- Toby
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Will do. Its downhill from now on!
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George wrote
"It runs under Flash Phil. Its a good subject for another topic if you'd like to post the question Phil, with a link to the swf file page.
We can all learn from sorting that problem out. "
It wouldn't work on one of my other machines with Vista on, installed Adobe Flash Player, it worked then.
I am sure its not a Vista, XP, 7 thing, just install flash playerPhil and try again.
Night night
Malcolm
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thanks malcolm ;) downloaded adobe flash player and all working fine can see the swf page and click on the link in that page which took me to next page, up and running smoothly ;D
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Malcolm
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;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Malcolm
expect a delivery of a trophy cabinet ;D ;D
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Make sure it's a big one. ;D
Malcolm
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:D
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Q?s needing A?s:
Using PLANT NUMBERS:
It?s my understanding that Plant Numbers are Unique Numbers,
that are only applied once and if the plant data is deleted that number disappears,
never to be used again. Is that correct?
Are they assigned numerically, at first point of data entry?
Or are they assigned at random, meaning not numerically?
I know that they can be accessed (used) in GA049 REPORTS;
Can they be accessed and printed on GA048 LABELS?
Where or how else can I make use of them?
Using DELETE BUTTON:
In GA100S02 Editing Plant Profile; is it better to delete a plant, or terminate it?
If I have goofed badly in entering data, or just don?t like the plant,
is it better to just get rid of it (delete), or by termination?
By termination, I mean to retain the plant in the system,
but explain the reason for termination.
Like plant died, or seed no longer available, or replaced by better variety, etc.
Using a SORT to PRINT:
Can Sort and Print my vegetable (or any other) plant inventory by FAMILY NAME?
I would like to be able to do that to help in laying out veggie beds for
CROP ROTATION.
- Toby
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Phew!
Plant numbers were not intended to be "visible". The few instances were for my own reference when testing.
However, they seem to be gaining popularity, so its easy to extend.
1) Are they assigned numerically
Yes, in numeric order
2) are they assigned at random
No, nay never
3) The program takes the largest number in your database and adds 1 for the next plant number
4) if a plant is deleted AND its Plant Number is has the VERY LAST plant number in the database, the number will be resused.
That is a very special case.
In ALL other cases, that plant number will never be reused.
5) Can they be accessed and printed on GA048 LABELS?
Had a quick look and don't see it anywhere.
Tell me which screen you'd like to see it on, and I will provide
6) Where or how else can I make use of them?
mmm you tell me where you'd like to see them.
7) Using DELETE BUTTON:
In GA100S02 Editing Plant Profile; is it better to delete a plant, or terminate it?
That is entirely up to the user.
9) If I have goofed badly in entering data, or just don?t like the plant,
is it better to just get rid of it (delete), or by termination?
By termination, I mean to retain the plant in the system,
but explain the reason for termination.
Like plant died, or seed no longer available, or replaced by better variety, etc.
That to me is a good idea. You have a record, and it may help you making the same mistake again
Can Sort and Print my vegetable (or any other) plant inventory by FAMILY NAME?
No, but you know a man who could fix that ;)
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George:
Happy that you appreciated the mental stimulation!!
Here goes:
Here are two different samples of copy that I want on two different GA048 labels to print for pot-stics to label my vegetable seed plantings:
?Carrot 'Autumn King Cr270 #456-10' (Ter) (Brt Org)?
?Cauliflower 'Early Snowball #263-10' (Hum) (Wht)?
Both appear as above in GA048, I?m not editing copy and placing the Plant Number there. What you see is in those samples is what I?m keying in for my own Plant Number ?#456-10, #263-10, however they are the same number(s) as the pre-assigned Plant Number in Genie Pro 5, except for the -10, (which indicates date of purchase of seed ? 2010). Rather than do that plant number step myself, I want the software to do it. Could the software plant number just be placed there automatically? I would put the -10 in when I key in the Cultivar.
I?m trying to think if there would be any reason that you WOULD NOT want the official Plant Number to be part of the Cultivar Name for identification purposes? It seems to me that they just go together (like apple pie and ice cream); the Plant Number reinforces the description of the Cultivar. You would probably ID the plant first by the number, rather than by the name.
Phil, what do you think? When you sow your seeds would you like to have the plant number on your post-stics along with the Cultivar? Am I making sense? Isabell, does this make sense to you? Anybody else? Malcom?
I?m using #5366 15x2 label layout.
G - I can use the sort and print on Family Names anytime, it?s a mental stimulation process right now for me. Take your time, though! Have fun, enjoy life!
- Toby
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I just saw the new lessons today, so I am going to work on lesson#3 right away. I actually have been working in my vegetable garden today, and a few times last week since we had a few rare, sunny Oregon sun shines including this morning. I did a bit of more work on inputting data for the veggies in the last week, did not get too far because my Father in Law was visiting from Nebraska.
I am finally getting my vegetable garden beds organized, the way I was talking about before.
Which means I will have to change the beds in IGPro again ;D
Since we got the chickens last year and chickens can help me eat the bugs on the not used beds, or before I get them ready for growing I decided I needed to change my layout again. Before I had a lot of 3'x3' beds, some 3'x6' and a few huge 3'x9'.
Aside my garden is completely devout of vegetables I don't want the hens on my beds eating and scratching out my plants or contaminating them, so I need a way to keep them restrained to the beds which are empty, so I am building a PVC hoop house with chicken netting which will just fit over my 3'x6' beds. Having all different sizes does not work so well with this so I have taken apart my beds and extended or shortened them, so they are all the same size. I have one more to go before I finish them off with my compost and mint straw. I have now 12 - 3'x6' beds, and two mini beds 3'x1-1/2' which I tucked behind other beds. So I have a total of 225 sqft of growing area, not including paths plus a 6'x9' Asparagus bed outside the fenced area. I have more room to add more beds if I want to, but I think that will do me for now.
So now I will be able to contain the chickens on one or two beds (I might make the hoop house that wide) and it will always fit perfect.
My lower garden I now mainly use for fruit and my Artichoke plants. I might get a new apricot tree, since my other one died a few years back and I still want to add an apple tree which will be a good baking apple for cakes and pies. I am a bit indecisive on that apple tree, can't decide which one to get. I have been eating a lot of apples from the farmers markets, suggestions from the farmer for baking/pie apples, but the Americans seem to prefer a more sweeter apple for baking, while in Germany pie apples are crisp, fruity and a bit tart. If anybody has suggestions for the perfect apple tree for me, please share. I have been working on getting an Apple tree for more then two years now, if I don't get one soon I might as well forget it, there we will be moving to Portland in maybe 5 years.
So I will go now and work on Lesson # 3.
Thanks again George for taking this time to design these Lessons
Isabell
PS: Anybody interested in building a worm bin?
Go here
http://diegartenfrau.blogspot.com/2010/01/composting-with-worms-building-worm-bin.html
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Yikes! Why do we only get 52 Cultural Requirements and Grades in GA003S01?
My smart vegetable growing book shows me which vegetables are compatible to grow together and which ones benefit each other.
So I made a Cultural Requirement/Property with
"Crop Companions" using the vegetables or vegetable families/groups as grades. But I just ran out of 52 grades, used them all up. I am only halfway through the book.
I need more room for grades!
I think this so far is one of my most favorite program in IGpro.
With the Cultural Grades one can have almost all the cultural requirement in short form, right on the front page of the vegetables profile, without having to read through tons of articles, words. Concise and simple. It is so easy to get all that data in there, but to really do it well we should have more room for more categories and grades.
For the vegetable garden I really don't need all that excess, flowery plant information. All I want to know is when do I plant, seed, what does the plant like, who does it not like, what are the nutrient requirements.
This file program can give me all of that.
I still have not started on the lesson#3, when I read trough the lesson about deciding which garden area to add the plants to, I thought "I have no Idea" I need to know first where I shouldn't plant them. So I need to first input that information, to be able to plan the 2010 garden.
But I will start now, since I can not add more grades anyway
Isabell
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Hmm,
I am trying to sort the grades in one of the cultural requirements/properties in alphabetical order, so it will be easier to find the right grade. all the other ones sorted just fine, but the one grade where I ran out of space after I got to the 23rd grade it won't move up or down. I can move all grades up and down from the top to the 23rd space, and I can move them all up and down from the bottom up to the 24th grade. but I can not move them beyond the 23rd and 24th space
Isabell
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George:
About my previous posting re: Plant Number;
I see the Plant Number as the predecessor to the Bar Code Label, used at the 'Point (or Place) of Sale',
or, in other words, the 'check-out counter' in a retail setting.
- Toby
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Toby:
Good idea!
I'll make the Plant Number visible and usable in my next update to the Labels program.
Isabell
1) I can extend the number, but within the current database design it will be limited to an absolute maximum of 255
I'll have a look at this for you.
I never anticipated anyone doing more than 52 grades etc
For anyone techy:
The program has a one character field for Cultural Requirements and Grades
Referring to this ASCII table, there are 255 characters,some of which are Printer escape codes
http://www.ascii-code.com/
2) RE: but I can not move them beyond the 23rd and 24th space
To allow me to investigate, I will send you an email requesting a copy of some of your files.
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George:
Happy that you appreciated the mental stimulation!!
Here goes:
Here are two different samples of copy that I want on two different GA048 labels to print for pot-stics to label my vegetable seed plantings:
?Carrot 'Autumn King Cr270 #456-10' (Ter) (Brt Org)?
?Cauliflower 'Early Snowball #263-10' (Hum) (Wht)?
Both appear as above in GA048, I?m not editing copy and placing the Plant Number there. What you see is in those samples is what I?m keying in for my own Plant Number ?#456-10, #263-10, however they are the same number(s) as the pre-assigned Plant Number in Genie Pro 5, except for the -10, (which indicates date of purchase of seed ? 2010). Rather than do that plant number step myself, I want the software to do it. Could the software plant number just be placed there automatically? I would put the -10 in when I key in the Cultivar.
I?m trying to think if there would be any reason that you WOULD NOT want the official Plant Number to be part of the Cultivar Name for identification purposes? It seems to me that they just go together (like apple pie and ice cream); the Plant Number reinforces the description of the Cultivar. You would probably ID the plant first by the number, rather than by the name.
Phil, what do you think? When you sow your seeds would you like to have the plant number on your post-stics along with the Cultivar? Am I making sense? Isabell, does this make sense to you? Anybody else? Malcom?
I?m using #5366 15x2 label layout.
- Toby
crikey it a bit early in the morning for questions like that ;D thinking cap on, plant numbers for me have no relevance as i tend to go on the plant name, plus a plant is given a number automatically by IGPro, the only time i use plant numbers is to match up with my suppliers website i.e VON120 (vegetable onion 120) 120 is just the suppliers number for that onion, that way i go to suppliers site put in seed number and up it pops, these numbers i enter into IGPro description if i need to, but saying that i think it would be usefull to have the ability to enter in IGPro the plant(seed) catologe number and year the seed was purchased, plus on the label this way you can tell if it is still viable due to amount sown - amount growing etc, hope that all makes sense,
Phil
going for a lie down ;D
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RE: (Phil)
would be usefull to have the ability to enter in IGPro the plant(seed) catalog number and year the seed was purchased
You can do that in the specimens program
You have fields for supplier, date of purchase, cost, quantity
You could put the Catalog ref into the Specimen Notes
Heres another idea - you could put it into the Specimen Name, or append it to the Accession number
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I thought maybe you would like a breakdown of what I do print on my pot-stics as illustrated earlier:
In the first example the Cr270 is the seed re-order number as printed on the packet and is entered along with the Cultivar, the (Ter) stands for Territorial Seed Company, the supplier of the seed to me, and (Brt Org) is color.
In the second example, (Hum) is the seed packager Ed Hume Seeds, although they distribute their seed racks via Garden Centers, etc., I actually purchased the seed at a Garden Center. Hume does not have packet order numbers, but their packs are bar coded.
However Hume?s online order system does have order numbers, I might go back and put those in sometime.
The seed supplier is entered on GA100S01 in the Collector/Author area.
What?s nice about marking specimens that way is if I?m in the Greenhouse or elsewhere, and notice that a few specimens have gone to plant heaven, I can quickly go to my seed storage area, and get some new specimens started.
I don?t know if bar codes are universal around the world, but here in the US the bottom left number is the manufacturer of the item, the number to the bottom right is the product identification number. I wonder who assigns those numbers, the registry must huge?
The Plant/Number I?ve discussed earlier with George should also be shown in GA047S8, GA047S07, etc., when doing Tasks. Yes?
Q.- When one is adding the task of making Labels via GA047S09 Choosing a Care Topic, would it not be a two phased task? You generate (print) the label but you have to place it with the seed it?s marking. (Duh!)
What would you call the first and second phase of that task?
Generate Label / Generated Label
Label Specimen / Labeled Specimen
Also, when you generate your label, you can add the sowing date in the editing area if you so wish.
- Toby
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RE: (Phil) would be usefull to have the ability to enter in IGPro the plant(seed) catalog number and year the seed was purchased
You can do that in the specimens program
You have fields for supplier, date of purchase, cost, quantity
You could put the Catalog ref into the Specimen Notes
Heres another idea - you could put it into the Specimen Name, or append it to the Accession number
all good ideas and still playing, now in GA100S36 there is a tab at the top named sources if you click on the tab you get cat ref, cost, supplier, how do i enter details into this tab, or is that a differnt subject/lesson altogether
GA100S23 I can do it with working with specimans i entered code into the batch number field, that way i get code and name of plant in screen GA02S01
Accession number tried that but need more letter space currently set at 12 as i think i would like to keep as much of plant name as possible would it be posible to increase the number of letters allowed
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RE:
Generate Label / Generated Label
Label Specimen / Labeled Specimen
Yes, they are fine, Toby being future and past tense.
Its a lot of work to create tasks for those using the Task Type 3 (as in the Veg Project)
Yes, its probably best doing it with one Task for each "Care Topic"
You can duplicate Tasks. We can get to that later in our Project
There's an alternative and simple way for some tasks.
Have you (and other members) ever tried the other Task Type on GA047?
Bottom of screen GA047S01, click Add General, in the Non-Plant Related tasks box.
You can shuffle Task items into priority order, etc.
RE: The seed supplier is entered on GA100S01 in the Collector/Author area.
Unorthodox, but yes, that is a good idea for your veg.
Can't comment on the Barcode thing :-[
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RE: Phil
in GA100S36 there is a tab at the top named sources if you click on the tab you get cat ref, cost, supplier, how do i enter details into this tab, or is that a differnt subject/lesson altogether
That comes from work you do in screen GA004S20 in GA004
Start GA004
Click on the Supplier Catalogs button ===> takes you to GA004S20
Hopefully you can figure it out from there (that would be another project!).
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RE: Phil
in GA100S36 there is a tab at the top named sources if you click on the tab you get cat ref, cost, supplier, how do i enter details into this tab, or is that a differnt subject/lesson altogether
That comes from work you do in screen GA004S20 in GA004
Start GA004
Click on the Supplier Catalogs button ===> takes you to GA004S20
Hopefully you can figure it out from there (that would be another project!).
You are one clever guy, malcolms not getting that trophy cabinet now you are ;D ;D another little touch that i was hoping for hidden away, and i figured out how to enter all details myself :o ok all i need now is a built in customer accounts, invoicing, stock control, etc and i will have all i need in one programe
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tomorrow... :)
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tomorrow... :)
as late as that ;)
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Re: Session 2, User Guide, Vegetable Project, Surfing for information on your plants.
I am most happy to inform you, that I have finally got information from Google Search into the Plant Data field in both
GA100S40 and and into the Cultivaton Tab in GA100S36.
If I would just follow the instructions you give me, I would be OK!
If I had known this all existed about two years ago, I would have saved myself a lot of keyboard work.
Thank you, George!
- Toby
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Another boss I knew used to have a favourite saying.
If you assume, you can make an ass out of u and me
I'm afraid I assumed that folk knew all about copy and paste and getting data into IG, FG etc.
This project has been worthwhile for many reasons, and I'm delighted it has helped you Toby.
Have fun!
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I tried the lesson #3 and #4 yesterday, just with one vegetable. I thought it was very easy to follow, but I am sure I need to do the procedure a few times before I am one with it. Today I am looking up more information for growing vegetables, since as I was planning my specimen for my Broccoli's I realized I have sprouting and Calabrese types but I only had general broccoli information saved. Some are for overwintering, some are for mid year and late fall harvesting. Unfortunately hardly any seed packages will tell you, which one is which. So now I went online to research more of my vegetables, since the same is true for the Cauliflowers, Cabbages......
As I looked up information as often I notice the same site is coming up for me, which I often noticed before. I don't know if you in Europe are familiar with the 'Mother Earth News Magazine' but that magazine is a mother lode of information for vegetable growing and sustainable living.
They have a great section on their website for organic growing with growing portraits for all kinds of vegetables, also good info about garden planning. So I like to share the link for you
here is the link
http://www.motherearthnews.com/Organic-Gardening.aspx
there is a link to the archive of articles for this section, but all you need to do for specific vegetable information is to search for the particular plant by name and tons of info for that vegetable comes up.
enjoy
Isabell
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I'm very pleased to read you've worked through the Lessons, Isabell. Time for me to add a few more :)
That link is just the thing to accumulate in this thread and it will be invaluable to all other members.
Thank you for doing your homework and sharing :)
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George:
Re: Your post on Feb. 03 on this topic saying "I (Toby) knew somebody who could help me with sorting my vegetables by Family Names".
He paid me a visit at lunch today, wasn't very nice (mumbled something about me being an 'idiot'), but he told me how to do the sort! And now I can print out vegetable lists, as per FAMILY NAMES: Alliaceae, Apiaceae, etc., etc.
Now I have Vegetable CROP ROTATION and PLANTING COMPANIONS under better control. All I need to know now is what quantities of vegetable seeds to start indoors to put outdoors later.
- Toby
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Please explain some more about what you actually did Toby.
Call me an idiot if you like :D
How did you do the sort and what program did you use for the Print?
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Planting vegetables by family is not necessary a dry cut method. Some plants of the same family do not like to be with each other. One example is Dill a member of the carrot family actually does not like to be with carrots. Something I just learned and experienced myself, since I grew Dill in the same bed as the carrots last year, thinking they are family, and neither grew as nice then the other years.
Since then I have read in several books, to not plant them together.
I think there are other plant families with disliking members of their own family.
Hmm, seems the plant family is not so much different then some human families >lol<
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Isabell:
Yes, you are right. There's always a few veggies that can't get along with their family relatives. My Companion Planting List tells me about them also, as to what veggies do NOT get a long with each other. I've made note of those so when I create my beds I do not place them in the wrong spot There's not too many incompatibles on my list.
- Toby
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George:
No, no, I'm the idiot! I'm the one I had lunch with! Not you!
You want to know what I did to sort my Veggies by Family name:
Well, you told me how do the 'D - F - R - S' by using a new Gardener and creating the four Garden Areas.
I just did the same thing and called the Gardener 'Mr. Family Names', and then created Garden Areas of the 'Family Names'.
Applied the proper cultivars to the various areas, and then printed them out on the Report screen. There are eleven family names, and a Miscellaneous that I work with. I still have to build the actual beds as to their proper location and what's going in them. That will depend on the actual number of plants I want to grow. It will be easier now, though.
Has worked great for me, so far! The final test will be in how the Veggie gardens come together in 2010. Hope it all works out!
- Toby
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I have a friend just like that! He talks to me a lot ;D
Thats great thinking, Boss! and easily managed.
On the practical side, now you have sorted plants by family as "Garden Areas" - please explain your planting plans and plant rotation.
Not now of course - whenever you get your 2010 garden planned out.
Interesting :)
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I have almost all of my garden plants for this years garden planned and made specimen files for them. I only have the few left which I need to start later in spring/summer. Our growing season is starting right now and I think I need to concentrate getting them going, rather then spend time on plants I can't grow yet.
I have now over 403 plants in the data base. Some are the same because I keep my home collected seeds as separate plants from the ones I bought, even they are the same variety to be able to monitor how they compare with each other.
For seed saving purposes some plants which would cross pollinate badly with each other I try to either only let one variety bloom each year (like carrots) to keep the seed pure or with others like squash I keep separate from each other and cover with garden fleece or only grow one variety each year.
Variety is the spice of life. Having that many varieties also helps me find the ones which do better or worse in my climate. Some vegetables are just difficult to grow out here, Peppers and Eggplants for example.
today I am starting my first indoor seeds, but because we had such warm days lately I tried my luck and planted some Russian Kale, Mache-corn salad, Rape, Endive and Tatsoi and for good measure some of my mixed bag of Lettuce seeds from my garden collections on Saturday. I will see if anything comes out of it, then today it is a bit cooler again, around 40 F, dark, cloudy and rain on the way.
But now I am ready for the next lessons.
There was a question I had about something in the program, but I forgot to write it down and now can't remember. Darn, I know it was important. Oh well I will have to wait with that until the problem/question arrives back again.
How is everyone else progressing?
Isabell
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Isabell:
It?s good to hear how you?re progressing with the lessons, I think George is working on another batch for us and will be ready soon. We?ll let George speak for himself on that.
I?m at about the same planning level as you are with your Veggie Gardens. I am going to hold back on indoor seed starting until March 1st regardless of what the actual weather conditions are out-of-doors. My last frost date is April 20th here in the Pacific Northwest of the US. The direct sows will go in then. We?ve had warm weather and sunshine here, but it is lightly raining now and is supposed to do so the next few days. I have read several warnings about starting your seeds to early, and then not having a space to put them.
I have my beds all planned, hoping that they will take care of any crop rotation problems, and have some good effect on pest control for me. I had big trouble with white moth (cabbage moth) last year. I used floating covers last year for protection that were damaged by animals and high winds. I would like to try something with hoop supports in them this year and of a tougher material.
I have one bed that I am going to retain in reserve, and use for those veggies that have no trouble living together and perhaps use for successive sowings, also.
I have never tried saving seed. I can remember my mother and father doing that, however. Will have to try it sometime.
Do you add fertilizers or compost to your beds in preparation for the new plantings?
Have to get my seed starting equipment all cleaned and sterilized, I built a seed starting rack out of PVC pipe, that has five double fluorescent light units on it. I think it will give me plenty of space for quite a few trays full of veggie starts, plus some flower starts. The lights will be on a timer, I guess I have to keep the lights burning for approximately 16 hours and off 8. Do you know if this is correct?
It?s nice to compare notes with you. Maybe, with us sharing ?secrets? and those from other Forum Members, we can all have a successful veggie growing year for 2010!
- Toby
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Good to hear you are ready for next session!
I'll get to this ASAP folk
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you mean a table like this
http://diegartenfrau.blogspot.com/2010/02/growing-seeds.html
I made one a few years ago, it has been working pretty good for me.
I think your plants should do good with this timing of light and dark.I am not sure what the formula was, but I had mine on for 14-16 hours.
This year, since my sun room is much too cold to start seedlings at this time, especially peppers and eggplants, I also with the help of my husband (I could have it done myself, but he always wants to help with these manly things >lol< so sometimes I let him), built a warming tray with that foam stuff coated in shiny aluminum and these Christmas rope lights. I am still waiting for my thermostat to better control it. I haven't planted anything yet, first I wanted to se how warm the soil in the pots will get. I think it will work fine I measured about 73 F today. As long it is as cool as it got again I don't think I even need the thermostat.
I am trying to start my tomatoes, peppers and eggplants earlier this year, bigger plants in the NW I heard will produce earlier. The trick is just to keep them warm and transplant to bigger pots as the grow. Otherwise I only am starting seeds I will be able to plant out early season, before they get too big for their pots. Where in the PNW are you located? Our official last frost is April 24th, but since we have moved half a gardening zone higher now due to global warming it is unofficially now April 15th so I am adjusting my planting dates.
I had the same problem with my row covers last year, I did have hoops to hold the row cover but neighbors cats shredded the row covers to pieces. I think when it is a bit windy they move in the wind a little, even they are clipped to hoops and the cat's think it is a fun toy to play with. I was so mad. I have lost a lot of veggie seedlings to neighbors cats digging in my beds, not to think about the presents they leave in there. I really think cats do not belong outside, they should be in the house.
I also have one bed I kept free of plantings, but now I am thinking I might use it for growing more peppers and eggplants, I decided to grow a few of my older Hybrid seeds and I might try to grow them out to OP seeds. I'll know in a few years if I succeed>lol<
I started a few years ago saving the seeds of my salad and endives, then I added Tomatoes and peppers. I am still a novice at it myself but I really want to learn to save all my seeds, as much as my yard allows since so many of the heirlooms are disappearing thanks to Monsanto and Co, if we want to preserve OP seeds we'll have to do it ourselves I am afraid.
Some are more difficult to save and some are almost impossible to save on a regular sized yard, since they cross pollinate each other for 1/2 a mile or more.
I have several compost bins and I use that, we also added chickens last year and they give me good fertilizer. My beds are filled with gardensoil from our local compost facilities, plus my home compost/chicken compost and finished off with mint straw. Which I learned last year is supposed to be the cream of the crop for gardenbeds.
I also add some home mixed organic fertilizer and in between I give them diluted Fish fertilizer and Kelp water.
Often I forget to fertilize though, one of the things I need to improve at >lol<
I wish you too a successful growing season
Isabell
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Isabell:
You are giving me the encouragement I need to forge ahead with my Veggie Garden!
Thanks, for sharing the pic of the seed starting rack, mine is about the same, except maybe yours is a little bit larger.
I live within about an hour's drive from downtown Seattle, that's the place where its supposed to rain all the time, but really doesn't.
I will get back to you soon, I have some things to do first thing this morning.
I'll answer some of your questions, and probably ask you a few more.
Hope you don't mind.
Thanks, again, for sharing.
- Toby
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I encountered another challenge with planning the tasks of the vegetables, which has to do with succession sowing, but using different named varieties of the same Vegetable.
I have many varieties of the same vegetables, but I don't necessary want to plant them at each sowing.
So I made specimens for example for my Beets.
I have
Beet 'Burpee's Golden'
'Chiogga'
'Egyptian'
'Golden Beet'
'Golden Detroit'
'Intermediate Yellow Mangel'
'Kestrel'
'Three Root Grex'
So I made 3 Specimen files for each Beet variety. Then I wanted to make the Tasks for the 1st sowing. I first added all my Beets to the task, thinking as I select Specimens for the 1st batch I can un-click the ones I don't want to use in the 1st sowing. But then I saw all the Beets in my Task, just the ones I selected in the batch file had the *yes* and the others just yes. All the Beets are still shown in the task program. So there is no way I can deselect the specimens I don't want in the 1st sowing, but maybe I want in the second sowing or 3rd....
Then I choose to delete all the other Beets from the task, leaving only the 2 Beets I want in my 1st sowing.....now I am thinking the only way to plan the second sowing with different varieties is to make a 2nd, 3rd, 4th......task for each time I want to plant the same vegetable, but a different named variety of the same vegetable. Which now adds to many more tasks to add, since I was planning to seed many vegetables as often the season allows me to do, but in small quantities.
So is there a way around this? If I have to make all these separate Tasks for each variety, wouldn't it be much easier to just use the Task program, forget about the Specimen program and eliminate extra steps, since now it looks like the specimen only allows me to plan succession sowing of the same variety. I still would have to do all the separate tasks anyway?
Maybe I am not understanding the procedure properly
Or is this something which would be covered in the next lesson?
When are we getting to the next lesson anyway?
Isabell
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RE:
When are we getting to the next lesson anyway?
We have a rather different way of asking for things in Ireland
Sessions 6, 7 and 8 are now published:
http://www.garden-software.co.uk/vegetables/
To all:
Please follow the steps explained in the Sessions, and restrict questions to the sessions, material and screenshots presented, otherwise the topic will be impossible for others to follow.
To Isabell
RE: Maybe I am not understanding the procedure properly
Since in your last posting you have mentioned successive sowings then yes, that might be the case.
We haven't got to Sessions 10 yet (where successive sowings will be discussed)
You have to follow the procedure as described.
To get the most from this project, I would advise you to start again and try to create tasks which are exactly the same as described in the sessions.
Do first sowings ONLY at this stage
I think you have missed important points in Session 3 (Specimens) - where it explains that you have to create Batch References.
As you can see from the Index to the project, Session 10 will explain how to continue to a second sowing.