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Title: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on May 21, 2009, 08:03:58 PM
thanks for info on US label i looked at GA048 for a label 6x4 but i could not see one, will have to have a play with the US one

It would be be great to print on 6x4 photo paper adding photo and text like in my pic through IGPRO

Had a play and have ran into a couple of problems
1, pic below is of label plants selection screen GA048S02 and all looks fine
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/6x4test1.jpg)

2 This one is screen GA048S03 Editing Labels again all ok
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/6x4test2.jpg)

3 Print preview this is where my problems lies how do i edit label to get text in correct place for height, flowering time etc
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/6x4test.jpg)
Title: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on May 21, 2009, 10:57:15 PM
RE: 
Quote
i looked at GA048 for a label 6x4 but i could not see one
No there isnt one yet, but if you think its useful, I could do one.

RE:
Quote
how do i edit label to get text in correct place for height, flowering time etc
Thats the fields I mentioned above that are unfinished in my earlier posting.
The captions are set out as you can see.
Currently you have (as per your label)
Height
Flowering time
Colour
Sunlight
Zones
Prune

Those topics are only suggestions,for discussion with Toby , for US use.
I will make it so a) those captions are editable in the program, and b) you can enter the values for each caption.

As you have found in your testing, the text under the photo is free text which you can already enter in the program.
I'll leave that as is.

Now youve started it off, I could do with input from all as to what other captions they think should be included there.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on May 22, 2009, 09:29:44 AM
RE: 
Quote
i looked at GA048 for a label 6x4 but i could not see one
No there isnt one yet, but if you think its useful, I could do one.

RE:
Quote
how do i edit label to get text in correct place for height, flowering time etc
Thats the fields I mentioned above that are unfinished in my earlier posting.
The captions are set out as you can see.
Currently you have (as per your label)
Height
Flowering time
Colour
Sunlight
Zones
Prune

Those topics are only suggestions,for discussion with Toby , for US use.
I will make it so a) those captions are editable in the program, and b) you can enter the values for each caption.

As you have found in your testing, the text under the photo is free text which you can already enter in the program.
I'll leave that as is.

Now youve started it off, I could do with input from all as to what other captions they think should be included there.

firstly it would be good to have the same layout but on 6x4 photo paper, i think ideal if you do car boots or sell from home etc as all the info will be there and they will last longer than normal paper plus no need to laminate as you just put them away till next time

got you on the unfinished fields now, for the uk would you need zones, but if its a standard layout then leave it, add plant type ?,
over to discussion
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: NightHawk on May 22, 2009, 09:48:38 AM
......... Now youve started it off, I could do with input from all as to what other captions they think should be included there.
Spread of plant would be useful.

Laurie.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on May 22, 2009, 10:52:14 AM
Yes, need that. Thanks Laurie
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: bossgard on May 22, 2009, 05:55:14 PM
On the original that I took this from, there is also listed:

Type of Plant: (Annual)
Special Attrributes: (Container Plants, Showy Flowers)
Susceptible to: (Black Spot, Root Rots)

The (words) of course, would be your own data.

If selling price is a factor, you might want to include area for that.

Happy you guys are taking action on the UK labeling program, now I know how George feels, when somebody takes one of his 'babies' and goes with it!

- Toby



Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: NightHawk on May 22, 2009, 06:01:50 PM
Well Toby, George has done so much for us by giving us these fantastic programs, that the least we can do is make them the success they deserve.  :)

Use them to the very best of our abilities and request enhancements by adding additional features whenever necessary.

Software programs are forever evolving, so any program is never really finished.

Laurie.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on May 22, 2009, 07:21:01 PM
Todays research was to investigate the use of Richtext in data fields in my software, as suggested by a US Bonsai Genie use (not a forum member)
I got it working nicely in a test program, so I will be able to do this.

On the way home, I realised that it would be great for this particular (labels) application.

Rich text allows you to make text bold, change font, select colours for text, underline etc.
Using that, the fields we are talking about could be free text (a region where you type you own text) and the user could edit to provide any text they wanted.
Then they could use the richtext buttons (Bold, italics etc) to format the elements of thje text to their precise requirements.
Thus, the user would not be restricted to the captions I set. They could do it any way they wish  8)
 
Need to do more work on this development.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on May 22, 2009, 08:00:03 PM
I feel responsible for making you the extra work george sorry  ;) as i think this links into the 6x4 labels subject, so in return i would like to offer my services as a guinea pig for the test printing  ;D, i just dont know how you do it all, a full time job, your garden, your software, how do you find the time, or has eric been round with his camera  ;D
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on May 22, 2009, 10:27:12 PM
No need to be sorry Phil. On the contrary, its time for rejoicing  :)
When people are keen to use the software and offer suggestions to move it on further, I'm more than happy.
All these little enhancements add up!
As Toby said, these program are each like babies to me, and I think Toby has adopted that particular one!
Its really nice to have help to make them grow and mature.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on May 23, 2009, 10:24:05 AM
No need to be sorry Phil. On the contrary, its time for rejoicing  :)
When people are keen to use the software and offer suggestions to move it on further, I'm more than happy.
All these little enhancements add up!
As Toby said, these program are each like babies to me, and I think Toby has adopted that particular one!
Its really nice to have help to make them grow and mature.


that good then whatever you do on the labels will certainly come in handy  :)
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on May 23, 2009, 11:46:52 AM
OK, more development work his morning, and I'm over the moon!
Heres an example of what Ive done with GA048, using richtext.
Note the Bold and lower case mix down the RHS of the label
That is now free text, so you can type in anything you like, make selected words bold, underline, coloured etc.
 
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on May 23, 2009, 06:15:15 PM
looking very good you should be proud of that  ;)
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 06, 2009, 07:36:03 PM
Something new for you to try.
After more than a week of research, Richtext has now been added to IG Pro.
Ive worked it into the Labels program.

2 Downloads:
a) GA048
http://www.ideasgenie.com/updates-igpro/GA048-dl.exe

b) Labels:
http://www.ideasgenie.com/updates-igpro/labelcds-dl.exe

Start IG Pro
Under Labels tab start GA048
Should indicate Version 20 when started up

In the Select a Label pop-up, select Orion #311 54LC
Click on the New Labels button
Proceed as normal to add plants to the two label images in the template.
Click Edit.
This takes you to a new screen with the richtext options.
See what you can do with it.

Heres what I did in my testing:



Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 06, 2009, 07:36:58 PM
The work screen GA048S08 looked like this when the editing was finished:

Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: NightHawk on June 06, 2009, 08:41:17 PM
That works a treat George - excellent work.  8)

Makes for a nice customisation experience.

Laurie.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 06, 2009, 10:52:06 PM
Thats very fast feedback Laurie. Thanks once again!

It goes to make it a good days work  :)
Now looking forward to hearing from Toby. Hes been waiting quite a long time for me to finish the design for that particular Orion label.
I hope our other members will give it a try.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on June 08, 2009, 10:19:12 PM
yet again i am having a moment or 2  ::) downloaded updates labels programe v20
get as far as GA048SO2 then i run into problems i have added plants to label selection ok

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/locate1.jpg)

click on edit i then get this pop up
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/locaterichtx32.jpg)

click on cancel and this error box appears
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/locate2.jpg)

am i missing something some where, not looking in correct place for rich text ?, its getting late anyway will check in tomorrow after i have talked to my goats  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 12:47:52 AM
I despair  :'(
Will investigate tomorrow.

Meanwhile, Ive fixed a bug reported by Toby.
All, please download version 22
1 Download:
GA048
http://www.ideasgenie.com/updates-igpro/GA048-dl.exe


Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 09, 2009, 08:00:43 AM

I can confirm I get the same as Phil

In the second screenshot of Phils. It is showing that it is looking for the file richtx32.ocx this file does not exist on my computer  :o

XP

Malcolm
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 09, 2009, 08:03:57 AM

Still the same with ver 22.

Malcolm
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: NightHawk on June 09, 2009, 08:58:48 AM
Here's a screenshot of my second test today.  GA048S02 is in the background and GA048S08 above it when I click to EDIT.

(http://www.pixiemouse.com/igforum/labels-test1.jpg)

As you can see I'm not getting the error boxes that Phil and Malcolm are getting, but what I am getting (which I hadn't noticed before), is that once I've added two different plants and click on the top one to edit, the plant I added in the top box is duplicated over the one below it.

I get the same result with version 22 installed.

I notice that in Phil's screenshot of GA048S02, he also has the same plant name duplicated in both boxes.

(Windows XP)

Laurie.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 09:33:20 AM
Problem No 1
RE: (Malcolm)
Quote
richtx32.ocx
Thanks for that additional info. Makes it a lot easier for me.
I'll set that up as a download for you and Phil. Watch this space.
Try this in the meantime.
Do a search (Start/Search) for richtx32.ocx on your computer
Let me know if you find it.

Problem No 2 (reported by Laurie)
Quote
once I've added two different plants and click on the top one to edit, the plant I added in the top box is duplicated over the one below it.

When you touch (click) a label, you fill it with the name of the plant which is selected from the list on the right.
Thus,  select a plant from the list on the right , touch a label.
Repeat touch for same plant if necessary.
Heres where I think you are having the problem.
When you do that, you may be changing the name of the plant on that label youve clicked.
To EDIT, you dont have to touch (click) on the label.
Its a mock of the template, not a list of plants.
Instead, simply clck the Edit button to go to screen GA048S08
In GA048S08, you can edit each plant youve added to labels.
In GA048S08 you have to click the plant name in the list to select the plant to allow you to edit its label.
Does that help Lauriie?
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on June 09, 2009, 09:47:34 AM
same for me on V22
i also get this error box
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/locate3.jpg)

when i close
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/locate2.jpg)

same here its as if missing rich txt file or something

Laurie i tried with the same plant and 2 different plants and still got same errors up so i have no idea if you can do 2 plants at same time

as you can guess i need to sack my goats  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 09:49:06 AM
Did you do the search? See my message just prior to your posting
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on June 09, 2009, 09:49:35 AM
search for richtx32.ocx no results found sorry
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 09:51:13 AM
Thanks Phil. Please wait for download before trying again.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on June 09, 2009, 09:58:05 AM
will do in meantime i am going to go and sack my goats, cos they let me down this morning  :D  ;D bless em
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: NightHawk on June 09, 2009, 10:13:03 AM
George,

I've added the plants to the labels in the correct manner as you have described.

I've just repeated the process by adding two different plants.

After I've added the second one I then need to edit the data.  So, I want to edit the top one first, but the cursor is still in the second box being the last one added.  Clicking on the top box immediately changes both names to the plant that is in the top box.

Now, if after adding the two different plants in the same manner I leave the cursor in the second plant box as this is the last one added and click EDIT.  I get screen GA048S08 and can add details as required.

If I then click in the top box I immediately get a message box appearing (see screenshot below).

(http://www.pixiemouse.com/igforum/labels-test2.jpg)

If I click ignore, screen GA048S08 appears and I can add plant details.  However, instead of clicking the IGNORE button on that message box and click CANCEL it completely shuts down IG Pro.

Laurie.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 10:42:31 AM
(1)
RE:
Quote
I leave the cursor in the second plant box as this is the last one added and click EDIT
It doesnt matter where the cursor is Laurie, and you dont have to select a plant before clicking Edit.
You simply click edit and you get to GA048S08.

Only click the boxes in the template to Add or change the name of the plant in that label position.
RIGHT click to blank out a label position.

(2)
RE: The Subscript is outside defined range message with Ignore and Cancel options.
Now that IS a bug. I will fix that later this evening.
Meanwhile, Click Ignore if you get it.
ALL: To avoid it happening, click a line in the list on the right in screen GA032S02 before touching a Label in the mock up template on the right
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: NightHawk on June 09, 2009, 10:59:47 AM
Test three successful George.

Following your suggestion of not needing to click on one of the boxes with plant data before you click EDIT, I entered two different plants and clicked on EDIT.  GA048S08 screen appeared with one of the plants displayed.  I entered some data and SAVED it.
Automatically after clicking the SAVE button, the second plant I had entered appeared in screen GA048S08.  I again entered the data and clicked SAVE.

I got no warning boxes or any other problems throughout using this procedure.

To me, its a natural process to highlight / put your cursor on something you want to edit first, then click on an EDIT button.  I don't know if there's a way of allowing label editing to occur this way George, or to put a little message on this screen advising people not to click the plant label before editing it.  Otherwise, you have one more thing to remember if we're not guided through to remind us.

Laurie.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 11:13:12 AM
Thanks for the feedback Laurie.
Everything youve stated is exactly the behavior Ive written into the program (e.g. advancing to next Plant when you click Save in GA048S08)
Any suggestions on how to make it easier for a new user?

NEW:
The label format has changed in Version 22
Its now designed to print Portrait photos (Photos with Height bigger than width).
It will work with Landscape photos of course, but it wont fill the allocated space you have for the photo.
To get the biggest possible image printer, use a Portrait image.

Please note that this label template is for a special label stock used by Toby (bossgard)
I will do a new label template, designed for Landscape images for Orion #311 54LC.

When all the issues have been resolved, I will also do two new templates (Portrait and Landscape) to print labels on A4 (UK/Europe) size
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 11:18:58 AM
One tip:
When using Sources for Text in GA048S08
a) Click into a text region
b) Click one of the buttons under Sources for Text

The Text you select is inserted into the text region you select in (a)
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: NightHawk on June 09, 2009, 11:26:06 AM
Thanks for the feedback Laurie.
Everything youve stated is exactly the behavior Ive written into the program (e.g. advancing to next Plant when you click Save in GA048S08)
Any suggestions on how to make it easier for a new user?
If you keep the data entry procedure as it stands at the moment then, as I mentioned above, some sort of message on that screen to stop people from automatically selecting either box before editing, just so they are aware of this procedure.

Laurie.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 11:30:40 AM
Yes, can do something on those lines.
I'm really pleased that our valiant members are giving this a go.
Much more to come using that program, but we will get to that in due course.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 09, 2009, 11:44:27 AM

Sorry I have not been in on this discussion, been out trying to earn a crust mending "rubbish" machines. Not very sucessfully today.

Will wait for the dowwnload, thanks George.

Malcolm
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 02:04:42 PM
I'm still trying to earn my crust here, Malcolm.
In your game, if they all had new machines, they wouldnt need servicing. In my case if everyone was an IT expert I wouldnt have a job.
I suppose we need to be grateful  :)

Registering that ActiveX (thats its fancy name) is not too difficult with XP.
On Vista, as always, its much more complex  :'(
Matter of interest - do you have Microsoft Office on your computer?
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 09, 2009, 02:56:07 PM
George

Quote
if they all had new machines, they wouldnt need servicing

A lot of the "New" machines won't last much more than about 2 years, too much cheaply made  electronics in them.
Been to 2 this morning where the electronic board has failed. Both not worth repair, one was 3 years old.

The price manufacturers charge for these pcb's is ridiculous.
One big problem for anyone working in this trade including me, is if you diagnose the pcb as being faulty, annd order a new one, once the box is opened it can't be sent back.

A lot of the new machines need a laptop and manufacturers software to diagnose faults, and in some instances to reprogramme eeproms as they are supplied blank.
I tend to steer clear of those machines, have only 4 years to go, by then nothing will be repaired.

You asked about M/S office. I only have Word and Excel, and they are not current editions.

It will soon be time to go home George, if you haven't left already ;D

Malcolm
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 04:46:38 PM
I used to fix our washing machine any time it broke down. For some reason it seemed to do that on the first day of my 2 weeks holidays in one particular job back in my days as an engineer.  Without having the diagnostics equipment, it was difficult to tell what was wrong!

Interesting about WORD and Excel, thanks Malcolm.
Cant make any conclusions since WORD obviously work with Rich Text (Bold Italics etc) ::)
I have a download almost ready. Later this evening all being well.



Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Eric Hardy on June 09, 2009, 06:11:15 PM
Oh dear, I feel very lazy but this discussion is a bit beyond me at the moment. I am VERY impressed by the way George develops these programmes. Forgive me if I just stay in the background for the moment  ;)

ERic H
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 07:26:55 PM
Wait until the "issues" are resolved Eric, then give it a go.
No point in giving yourself a headache  ;)
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 07:48:49 PM
The FIX to the richtx32.ocx problem

Phil: Please wait until Malcolm has installed this and is up and running.
If he reports that all is OK, then have a go using the same process described below.

Try this Malcolm:
Download this:
http://www.ideasgenie.com/updates-igpro/richtext-dl.exe
Click Run (not save)
During the installation process, look for the dialog box with the title:
Location to save files
Click the Change button and select your Desktop
Continue.

When finished, look on your desktop for this file:
gkrichtext.msi

NON VISTA USERS
Double click on it.

VISTA USERS
Right click on it
Click Run as Administrator

In both cases, it does its job in a flash (but it took me all day to put the "ingredients" into it)

Then start GA048 and see if allows you to proceed to the screen with the richtext (GA048S08).

Afterwards, delete the file on your desktop.


Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on June 09, 2009, 09:29:32 PM
calling malcolm come on in  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 10:01:19 PM
OK, OK You go first then  :D
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 09, 2009, 10:08:10 PM

I am here now. ;D
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on June 09, 2009, 10:14:32 PM
 :-[ let wait for malcolm because that way did not work for me, sorry still getting same errors as before
and it should be
Quote
Click SAVE (not run)
well it was for me with vista if i clicked on run it would have downloaded the normal way and not been able to save to desktop
aarrrghh wheres me chainsaw i feel a bit of a massacre coming on  :o

front page news downloaded desktop icon says richtext-dl.exe not gkrichtext.msi
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 10:18:32 PM
Hold fire Phil
Let Malcolm go first.
Theres a special instruction for Vista users.
I'm now going to edit the instructions. Please read again.

OK for Malcolm to proceed.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 09, 2009, 10:19:30 PM
It has worked for me, I can now get to GA048S03 ok. Thank you George.
Will now have a play to see what I can do next.

Malcolm
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on June 09, 2009, 10:25:40 PM
sorry still not working for me  :( and i right clicked and ran as adminstrator
downloaded desktop icon says richtext-dl.exe not gkrichtext.msi

will check back tomorrow, had enough of wakey time for one day  ;)
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 09, 2009, 10:41:24 PM

I am having a problem now, it worked ok first time, now when I click on edit in GA048S02 I get a box come up

Program error

Error loading file record number 8 cmbold or one of its members>font Char set:Error with cmbold font char set expression evaluated to an illegal value

Is it something I am doing wrong ?

Malcolm
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 10:59:34 PM
No, nothing you are doing wrong Malcolm.
Baffled by that.
Question: Did you manage to get into screen GA048S08 first time?


Phil:
Youve downloaded using Save.
Delete that file.
Do the download again and choose Run (I'm not sure if it is Run with Vista, but in any event dont choose Save)
Have a look at the steps in the instructions again.
Good luck!
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 09, 2009, 11:25:22 PM

Quote
Question: Did you manage to get into screen GA048S08 first time?


I am getting confused now, in my post above I said I got to GA048S03 after clicking on Edit in GA048S02, did I make a mistake by saying I got to GA048S03 ?

Malcolm
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 11:41:30 PM
You can get to GA048S03 if you select any other label other that that Orion #311-54C one we are dealing with.
If you select Orion #311-54C then you get to GA048S08, the new screen with the rich text.
Did you get to the Rich text screen? (theres a screenshot further back in this topic)
If yes then you were in GA048S08 and if you managed to get in there before then I'm puzzled if you cant get back in again

If you are still having that problem, try rebooting your computer, Malcolm, and see if that helps.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 09, 2009, 11:52:55 PM

Will continue with this tomorrow George

Malcolm
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 09, 2009, 11:53:05 PM
Version 23

Ive fixed the bug reported by Laurie.

Ive also fixed another bug (in GA048S08) which I discovered  ;)
If you had more that one photo of the plant, the program wasnt "retaining" the one you selected.
 
All, please download version 23
1 Download:
GA048
http://www.ideasgenie.com/updates-igpro/GA048-dl.exe

Thanks for all your help guys.
Its frustrating when things go wrong, but its good if I can get them addressed at this early stage.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 10, 2009, 07:44:31 AM

I must have chosen the wrong label then George to get to GA048S03

The computer has been restarted and I can confirm I still have the same program error, and am using the correct label.

So I have never been able to get to GA048S08 with the rich text.

Have now taken ver23.


Malcolm
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 10, 2009, 08:23:10 AM

I have checked and richtx32.ocx is on my computer in c:\windows\system32 so the download for the rich text worked ok.

Malcolm
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 10, 2009, 09:29:03 AM
Thats the correct file and the correct location, Malcolm

It could be corruption in the file. Let me investigate and get back to you
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 10, 2009, 10:15:54 AM
RE (Phil)
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if i clicked on run it would have downloaded the normal way and not been able to save to desktop
If you click on Run in that particular download there are a number of dialog boxes during the Installation.
Look for the dialog box with the title:
Location to save files
Click the Change button and select your Desktop
Continue.

In your case (Vista)
When finished, look on your desktop for this file:
gkrichtext.msi
Right click on it
Click Run as Administrator

More information:
The download file is called: richtext-dl.exe
That file is a "carrier" and contains the file gkrichtext.msi, zipped up in the .exe file.
You are used to the file ?carried? in a download to be a program (e.g. GA048)
In this special case, the file carried is ALSO an installer, so the process has an extra step.

Heres the difference between choosing SAVE and choosing RUN.
The process applies to this particular (special) download.

1) The SAVE option
Step a) If you take the option (during download) to save it then the file with that name is saved on your computer.
You can save to a folder or save to Desktop

Step b) Locate the downloaded file (richtext-dl.exe ) in the location you chose to save it
VISTA USERS       : Right click on it, then click Run as Administrator
NON VISTA USERS: Double click on it
Look for the dialog box with the title:
Location to save files
Click the Change button and select your Desktop
That ?releases? the file (gkrichtext.msi ) from the ?carrier? and saves it on your desktop.

Step c) Locate the file gkrichtext.msi on the desktop
VISTA USERS       : Right click on it, then click Run as Administrator
NON VISTA USERS: Double click on it
That installs the file automatically

2) The RUN option
Step a) If you take the option (during download) to RUN
Look for the dialog box with the title:
Location to save files
Click the Change button and select your Desktop
That ?releases? the file (gkrichtext.msi ) from the ?carrier? and saves it on your desktop.

Step b) Locate the file gkrichtext.msi on the desktop
VISTA USERS       : Right click on it, then click Run as Administrator
NON VISTA USERS: Double click on it
That installs the file automatically

As you can see, the RUN option has one step less that the SAVE process.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 10, 2009, 11:47:08 AM
Phil:
Try the original method

Malcolm:
Ive discovered a different version of richtx32.ocx

Heres a alternative method for installing that (older) version
Download this:
http://www.ideasforgardens.com/download/RICHTX32.zip
Save it to your desktop
After download, locate on desktop, and double click.
Extract the file richtx32.ocx to the Windows\System32 folder.
Choose to Overwrite existing file

See if that works.
If you still receive the error, register the RichTx32.ocx module using the following command (from Start, Run dialog):
regsvr32.exe %systemroot%\system32\RICHTX32.OCX
(Use copy and paste)
You should see the message
DllRegisterServer in C:\WINDOWS\system32\RICHTX32.OCX succeeded
after running the above command.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 10, 2009, 12:06:57 PM

I am sorry to say that after trying both items, with a restart after each, the programme error comes up the same as before.

Malcolm
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on June 10, 2009, 12:32:07 PM

I am sorry to say that after trying both items, with a restart after each, the programme error comes up the same as before.

Malcolm

same with me i'm afraid to say, i hve spent an hour going through eevery download possible and i get this error when I click on edit in GA048S02
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/locate4.jpg)

even tried your last suggestion for download of the richtxt32.ocx downloaded ok cheched in system32 and its their did the start run for regsvr32.exe %systemroot%\system32\RICHTX32.OCX and i get this error

chaInsaw at ready vista will soon be VIS    :o    TA
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/locate5.jpg)
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 10, 2009, 12:35:36 PM
TA, Phil and Malcolm
Leave it with me.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 10, 2009, 01:41:36 PM
Malcolm
Is this the exact error message?
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Error loading file record number 8 cmbold or one of its members>font Char set:Error with cmbold font char set expression evaluated to an illegal value

Do you get an option to ignore?
If yes, what is the next error (if any)

Keep pressing ignore.
Do you get screen GA048S08 to open?
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 10, 2009, 01:53:58 PM
Its working for Laurie and Toby
Heres a check for all to do to see if its a simple problem, to do with the Font I have chosen for that B= Bold button in screen GA048S08.

Open WORD
Type a few characters.
Click the Font pop-up (thats one of the Rich Text controls in WORD)
Do you have a Font called Elephant?
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 10, 2009, 02:32:00 PM

Ref the error message
You can't copy it so here goes

Error loading file-record number 8, cmdBold <or one of its members>, Font Char Set: Error with cmdBold-Font Char Set: Expression evaluated to an illegal value

I hope I have that correct, if any problem will do a screen capture as you have shown us.

Pressing ignore makes the  Programme error pop up go away, pressing edit again brings the pop up back in a never ending circle, never get to GA048S08

Malcolm
Regarding Word the font Elephant is not listed.

Malcolm
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 10, 2009, 02:35:52 PM
RE:
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Regarding Word the font Elephant is not listed.
There may be a simple solution, Malcolm. Thanks for taking the time to decipher all that error message.
Dont do anything further (screenshot etc) until we hear from Laurie, Toby and Phil on this WORD/Font thing.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on June 10, 2009, 02:48:04 PM

Ref the error message
You can't copy it so here goes

Error loading file-record number 8, cmdBold <or one of its members>, Font Char Set: Error with cmdBold-Font Char Set: Expression evaluated to an illegal value

I hope I have that correct, if any problem will do a screen capture as you have shown us.

Pressing ignore makes the  Programme error pop up go away, pressing edit again brings the pop up back in a never ending circle, never get to GA048S08

Malcolm
Regarding Word the font Elephant is not listed.

Malcolm

same as what is happeninhg to me, same error i think its the same as malcolm's, see other posting with error captures on
no elephants in my font  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 10, 2009, 02:53:04 PM
Thanks Phil
It could be a simple program fix to beat this problem.
Waiting to hear from Laurie and Toby
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: bossgard on June 10, 2009, 04:55:47 PM

Yes, I have Elephant type style.

- Toby
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 10, 2009, 05:01:12 PM
Thanks Toby
Now waiting for Laurie. I think we have identified the problem. I hope it is simply a matter of changing the font of the Bold button from Elephant to another more common font.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: NightHawk on June 10, 2009, 05:06:48 PM
Sorry for the delay people, we've been out visiting.

I have Elephant font installed on my PC.

Laurie.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: bossgard on June 10, 2009, 05:33:59 PM
This is my first try with the Rich Text and the GA048 program using it. This is the Orion label that George has been working with you. My suggestion for use here is in a ?retail? setting, where plants might be sold as Malcom might do.

George is still going to have to do some tweaking with it, as you might notice, the text below the photos runs past the margin on the right side, also I have some trouble when I maximize the GA048S08 screen. I prefer working with it, but I don?t think it comes out at the same ratio as the minimized screen.

But, as George has indicated, this is definitely a program in its infancy, and there?s more and more to come!  To me it has been very exciting to see all of this come together and to observe the work on the GA048 UK program.

The Rich Text sure adds ?class?, I think it provides an opportunity to make good, professional Gardening labels. I don?t know of any gardening software program available, that has developed a labeling program like this.

- Toby
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: NightHawk on June 10, 2009, 05:54:01 PM
Well Toby, I know from what George has told me is that you have been instrumental in getting these various labels features tested and working for the benefit of all of us.

Take pride in knowing that you are helping George to make his great programs even 'greater.'

You could call us all beta-testers I suppose, but it is this friendly interaction with George and each other that is making George's software development progress in leaps and bounds.  Long may it continue.  (That must be worth a brownie point George  :D )

Laurie.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 10, 2009, 07:39:54 PM
"The Boss" has been just terrific. Hes full of enthusiasm and keeps me motivated.
He has moved the Labels project on in leaps and bounds.
Its really interesting to see how each of us apply the Richtext to do different presentations. I'm stunned once again by what Toby has done!
RE: Toby
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the text below the photos runs past the margin on the right side
Thats something Ive wrestled with, but had to leave it for the time being.
Heres the workaround.
Do a preview and see where the text IS printed to
Edit the labels again.
Put cursor at beginning of first word which does NOT appear on the printed label.
Hit the Return (Enter) button, to create a line break.
Do that until the long text you have entered fits the label.
You can do that in any of the three text regions.
I will keep working on this to see if I can get the text to wrap automatically.

A whole bunch of Brownie points awarded to everybody involved Laurie. Its terrific to be able to gather so much invaluable feedback.

Thanks for confirming you have Elephant font installed. It looks like that is the problem.
Stand by for next update within the hour. Hopefully that will make it work for Malcolm and Phil.
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 10, 2009, 07:57:28 PM
OK, Ive chased the elephants away.

All, please download version 24
GA048
http://www.ideasgenie.com/updates-igpro/GA048-dl.exe

George paces the room....

Matter of interest, heres the Fonts which everyone should have.
http://www.styopkin.com/articles/fonts_installed_winxp.html
Note that Elephant is not in the list
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: bossgard on June 10, 2009, 08:54:44 PM


Yes, I have used that approach to get around the text margin problem(s) before. Some of the other US label sizes have the same problem, so if you work with any of them, be advised.

- Toby
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 10, 2009, 09:04:04 PM
That Rich Text editing region is just not a simple blob of text.
Unfortunately, I cant edit the source code, so I have to work around its limitations.
The problem is in printing, as you can see. Its relatively simple for me to add and save the text in GA048S08.

You've done a really good job with your label Toby. I'm really impressed.

I note you have had to use smaller fonts in the text region above the photo, so you can print two lines of text..
I can make the top a little larger, at the expense of making the bottom smaller.
Perhaps a new (additional) Template would be a good idea.
Can do that when all the furore has abated here  ;D
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 10, 2009, 09:14:03 PM

i can now report that it worked George.
Have quickly tried out the rich text.
Will delve more deeply later.
Thanks very much for your patience in getting this right, we have all learn't from it.
Hopefully Phill will get his working on Vista as well.

Malcolm
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 10, 2009, 09:47:28 PM
Excellent  8)
I thank you for YOUR patience Malcolm! Many would have given up in despair  :)

Now the big one! (Vista)
Come in Phil  ;D
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: Lyn and Malcolm on June 10, 2009, 11:04:58 PM

I like it George, much more flexibility with the text, getting used to the positioning of the text takes a few tries to get right, but it is workable. I note you said you may update that later. I can see we will probably change our sales labels to these, much more room for the text.

Still nothing from Phil, perhaps the goats did a runner, after what he said about them.

Many thanks

Malcolm
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 10, 2009, 11:11:12 PM
Glad you like it Malcolm!

Yes, I'll update it if I can figure our how to make it wrap words properly  ::)

I'm about to do a new label for A4 pages, Malcolm.
That Orion one is for a small special sheet size.

I hope Phil hasnt gone berserk with that chain saw  :o
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on June 11, 2009, 10:02:02 AM

I hope Phil hasnt gone berserk with that chain saw  :o


no no not gone beserk, what great man once said that he did not know whether to throw the programme out the window or the programmer  ;)

hey presto

(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IG%20Pro/locate6.jpg)

still to have a play, not another download so soon  ;D

Had some really good news yesterday which means i shall be looking for a couple of volunteers to try out a product for me, more on that later in month, yes i am going to keep you all in suspense until then, i already have 1 guinea pig, i mean volunteer  ;)  ;D in mind (think to ones self rubs hands thinking payback for all this grief  ;D )
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 11, 2009, 10:11:46 AM
Yippee  8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Everybody up and running - even on VIS TA  ;)

RE:
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what great man once said that he did not know whether to throw the programme out the window or the programmer 
Ah yes, happy memories. That would have been Toby  ::)
There miight very well have been more, but hes the only one who actually came right out and told me  ;D

Now who has been causing so much grief, Phil   :(  ::)
A new product, eh? Give a little hint - I'm not very good at handling suspense.

The new download will allow you to print 4 photos on A4 page (see new topic)
http://www.flowergenie.co.uk/ideas/forum/index.php?topic=1129.msg7049;topicseen#msg7049
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: roiphil on June 11, 2009, 10:17:10 AM
Yippee  8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Everybody up and running - even on VIS TA  ;)

RE:
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what great man once said that he did not know whether to throw the programme out the window or the programmer 
Ah yes, happy memories. That would have been Toby  ::)
There miight very well have been more, but hes the only one who actually came right out and told me  ;D

Now who has been causing so much grief, Phil   :(  ::)
A new product, eh? Give a little hint - I'm not very good at handling suspense.

The new download will allow you to print 4 photos on A4 page (see new topic)
http://www.flowergenie.co.uk/ideas/forum/index.php?topic=1129.msg7049;topicseen#msg7049

Hint erm a new product to ireland, has won an award in uk, will pm you later but dont tell anyone else
Title: Re: Discussion on Label Orion #311-54LC
Post by: ideasguy on June 11, 2009, 10:23:42 AM
Can I be trusted to keep a secret?