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Plants => Plant Labels => Topic started by: whis4ey on April 27, 2007, 01:24:13 PM
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Edited by ideasguy on 19th Jan 09
Ive split out a discussion on Label Printing devices which developed in the Laminated Labels topic to give the important subject its own topic.
We will use this topic to discuss what printers our members are using and hopefully learn from the various reports which printer would best suit our individual requirements - something which would be invaluable to anyone considering investing in such a device/printer.
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Starts with this posting by Whis4ey
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Well .... I have just bought a Brother laminated label maker. The labels are supposed to be weather resistant, and good down to minus 15C and up to loads plus C as well
Gonna keep trying :)
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I think thats a real good investment Billy
Whats the model number. I'd like to look it up on the net.
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The Essentials Company George
2420PC ... £99 :(
Plus another £20 for laminated label roll :(
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This is label Mk 2
The backing is a piece of split bamboo coated in exterior Polyurathane (wonder how you actually DO spell that? :))
The label itself is from my new labeller
Now all I have to do is wait and see how it braves the elements ... sun, rain and frost/snow
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Well, it LOOKS good Billy. I like the use of the Bamboo.
What are the measurements of that label? Font sizes?
I'll have a go at reproducing that in IG Pro labelling program.
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ArrusBT bold 32 and 18 pt :)
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Thanks Billy. Its a nice font!
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OK
This is the latest version
A small block of scrap mahogany
Drill a hole from top to bottom to hold a galvanised 4 inch nail
Drill a wider hole at the top to countersink the head of the nail about a third of the way down
Insert the nail and tap well in, and then glue a piece of dowel to conseal the head.
Stain the top with mahogany wood stain
Varnish the lot with exterior varnish
Add the label
Hey presto :)
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Very neat indeed!!!
Now that really is a labour of love, but well worth the effort for those precious plants of yours Billy.
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Hi! Have read with great interest some earlier postings relating to this same topic. I experimented this past season (before having Ideas Genie) and created labels for labeling plants either by tying them to a stick, or putting them in the soil in the pots. I used M/S Word mail merge program, and used the address form template to create 3-line labels.
By using abbreviations, codes, etc., my labels contained - ID#, type of plant, plant's name, manufacturer/grower, source, specie, color, year purchased, etc. Printed by Epson Ink-Jet on Avery #5366 file folder labels, full sheet, 30 on, 2/3"x3-7/16" all white labels. The ink used is manufactured by Epson call DuraBrite, comes in both black and color, supposed to be waterproof, last longer, no fading, etc. The only drawback is that you have to purchase an Epson Printer to use the ink.
The label was attached to white green house markers, 5/8"x6", with it's own adhesive, then wrapped with 3M (Minnesota Mining) #3750, clear 1-7/8" wide, heavy duty packaging tape. One ply on the label side, with the marker centered in the middle of the tape, then the two sides wrapped one after the other around the back. The label was attached to the marker about 1/2" down from the top end, leaving space at the bottom of the marker to place in the soil. When applying the tape, the tape covered the end of the label, but left the point end uncovered. I put the tape on as smooth as possible, and pressed down on it to make the best seal I could. The last step was punching a 1/4" round hole 1/2" down from the top end. The tape also was extended past the top of the marker about 1/2" and sealed tightly.
At this point in time, they are sitill out in the weather, black ink is standing up great and the tape has held up. They have been rained on, full sun, and frost, and have held up for this past season. I am going to experiment with other laminating materials, if anyone has ideas let me know. I was not able to test the color ink because of not having the programming at that time to do it.
In summing my posting of this topic, what I see first of all, is ask yourselves how you are going to use your labels, what do you want on them, and how long does it have to last. For my use in propagating, probably one season, a color picture would be nice, and the info I listed previously. For somebody that has their garden(s) open to the public, or for tours - what do you need? For somebody raising plants for resale - same questions. Maybe by the time we're through we will come up with 3 or 4 basic concepts, by size, info, lasting qualities, etc. There are a lot of materials out there out there to experiment with, a lot of info on the Internet. IdeasGuy's classes on seed starting will surely contribute to the discussion. Hopefully we can find label/markers that are economical to produce and contain the most important elements.
On a related subject: If you need a black marker to mark on the green house markers, or for that matter any material, that will hold up and be waterproof, ask your local gardener's source for a marker made by DP Industries, #GM08, labeled Garden Marker, it too held up very well. Be sure and cap it immediately after using, and it is toxic so use outdoors. It might be available in colors also.
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Hello and welcome to the forum, Toby.
It was well worth waiting for that posting, and thanks for taking the time to put it all together 8)
I've done a check to see if the ink you mention is available on this side of the atlantic, and good news, it is:
http://www.epson.co.uk/supplies/supplies/ink/types/durabrite.htm
More checking out to do. Thanks again Toby! I hope you enjoy it here!
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Have read this with interest as i am looking for a good labeling machine and done some searching on the net and found still available in southern ireland aswell :o 2420PC http://www.elara.ie/products/detailsfull.asp?productcode=MME5831046#spec (http://www.elara.ie/products/detailsfull.asp?productcode=MME5831046#spec) this printer is compatible with vista, (further searching on the net) as some printers are not compatible as i found out when i purchased my first pc with vista.
Did any one use this laminated label and how did it stand the test of time and marks out of 10 please ;)
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We're currently trying out the Brother P-touch GL200 labelling machine, which prints labels suitable for the standard plastic tags about 15mm wide.
The website describes the machine as "The new GL-200 garden labeller is ideal for outdoor labelling. It creates labels that are rain proof, humidity proof, fade proof, heat resistant and frost resistant."
Check out the Brother P-touch GL200 (http://www.brother.co.uk/g3.cfm/s_page/50670/s_level/17440/s_product/GL200U1) here.
Laurie.
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Laurie thanks for that link looks promising and the price is not bad either
Phil
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We're very pleased with it so far Phil. 8)
The labels have already been on some of our outside plants for the past few months now so, considering the harsh freezing temperatures we've had lately, it has been a good test for them. The labels are still sticking as good as they were when first applied, so at least the first criteria of being frost-resistant seems to have passed okay.
They've been exposed to the sun also, but not the stronger summer sun as yet, and we've not had much rain to speak of either.
But, all in all they appear to be performing very well.
You can change the fonts styles and sizes to your own preference too, so it's a very flexible machine.
We'll be able to give much more definitive results when they've been exposed to all weather conditions.
As they say, watch this space. :D
Laurie.
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with regards to the pt 2420PC label maker does any one know how many lines of text it gives you, have looked on brother site and it does not say, thanks phil
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It depends on the width of tape you use
If you are using tape at 24mm wide you can get 9 lines of text at the smallest size (5)
It is a very versatile machine. I like it :)
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Lets do an update on durability, as I'll be onto labels again soon.
To Laurie, Billy and the Boss (and anyone else printing labels)-
How have the labels stood up to the weather?
Outdoors?
Indoors?
Greenhouse?
Cold frame?
When Printed?
Whatever info we can gather
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To re-iterate - we're using the Brother P-touch GL200 (http://www.brother.co.uk/g3.cfm/s_page/50670/s_level/17440/s_product/GL200U1) labelling machine.
Label width is 12mm (½").
Prints up to two lines of text, and automatically alters the font size according to how many lines are used, or can be user defined.
Also prints vertically.
We've been using these labels for about 4 months outdoors, and have been through freezing temperatures down to -10 °C, rain and milder winter sun (full summer sun has yet to be tested.)
The labels have stayed fully stuck as when first applied, and we are completely happy with the results so far.
Laurie.
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Had a look at the website.
From what I see the Brother GL-200 cant be connected to a computer?
Is that correct?
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Just a manual input keypad, no computer connection.
Basically it's a more advanced version of the basic Dymo labelling machines.
Laurie.
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Its a very handy looking device.
Do they offer a product which does what the GL200 does, but with a connection to the computer?
The idea being, Labels can be done within IG Pro/Bonsai Genie and printed to the device.
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The Brother web site do have PC Connectable (http://www.brother.co.uk/g3.cfm/s_page/166890/s_level/17300) labelling machines.
Considerably more expensive though as you will see.
Laurie.
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Good work Laurie.
Actually they are reasonable enough for that functionality (barcodes etc)
In the Brother range, thats the devices our members need to choose from if they are to use the Labels program GA048, especially if they need to print Barcodes on the labels (for Point of sale).
Note: The IG software will allow printing in any orientation.
Its nice to be able to take the device to the greenhouse and print ad-hoc labels AND print from the computer. Which product would you choose?
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From a personal viewpoint, I would go with the handheld device we are using now. Due to the size of our gardens, we don't have the quantity of labelling tasks to warrant the additional cost.
It will be interesting to hear from our other members who have much larger gardens and consequently more plants to label, to see what their opinions are on this subject.
Laurie.
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Good work Laurie.
Actually they are reasonable enough for that functionality (barcodes etc)
In the Brother range, thats the devices our members need to choose from if they are to use the Labels program GA048, especially if they need to print Barcodes on the labels (for Point of sale).
Note: The IG software will allow printing in any orientation.
Its nice to be able to take the device to the greenhouse and print ad-hoc labels AND print from the computer. Which product would you choose?
i am considering buying this one tz tape upto 18mm pics etc http://www.brother.co.uk/g3.cfm/s_page/166900/s_level/17300/s_product/PT2100VPZU1 (http://www.brother.co.uk/g3.cfm/s_page/166900/s_level/17300/s_product/PT2100VPZU1) irish site http://www.elara.ie/products/detailsfullat.asp?productcode=MME5832223#spec (http://www.elara.ie/products/detailsfullat.asp?productcode=MME5832223#spec) looking at it from a retail point of view need to get pic on label if possible
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Good choice there Phil. 8)
I wholely support a labelling device that is compatible with George's software, as being able to do everything in the one area is great.
However, it's going to depend on each individual's circumstances; can you afford and justify the cost of expensive machines and the labour-saving benefits of having such a labelling system.
More input from our other members now please.
Laurie.
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the cost difference between the pt 2420PC and the pt 2100 is only 5 euro more plus plug at 15 and usb cable 4.00, also the pt2420 i dont think it compatabile with vista according to brother http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/eu/eu_ot/en/p-touch/2420euk/spec/index.html (http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/eu/eu_ot/en/p-touch/2420euk/spec/index.html), where as the 2100 is http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/eu/eu_ot/en/p-touch/2100euk/spec/index.html (http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/eu/eu_ot/en/p-touch/2100euk/spec/index.html)
ps we have had a good 2 inches of snow this morning ;D
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Bought a Dymo Labelpoint 350 nine months ago, for labeling our 100+ Clematis. On our open days it saves us a lot of time if people can see for themselves, the name of the plant. All our other plants have labels, plastic with handwritten names using a Stabilo Write for all permanent pen, which lasts a couple of years.
The clematis labels are metal with the Dymolabel stuck on.
So 9 months down the line, and the Dymo labels are still stuck on and readable. Dymo do a label tape that is specifically for outdoor use, but is a job to get locally. So I have used the standard tape. Havent gone any further with Dymoing the plastic labels for the other plants, as wanted to see how the labels on the clematis survived. Also it is going to cost a lot of money to label 1,100 plants.
The Dymo 350 is able to be connected to the computer via USB, if I did want to Dymo the 1,100 plants it would be handy to use the computer.
Link to the labeller http://global.dymo.com/enUS/Products/LabelPoint_350.html
Malcolm
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Had a look at the product on the website Malcolm. Dont see any mention of printing from the computer.
Did you receive a CD with the product? Any info in the user guide about printing from a computer?
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PT 2420PC looks real good Phil.
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Yes it is connectable to computer via usb, I have used it with programme on the CD supplied for it.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/DYMO-LabelPOINT-350-Labelmaker-transfer/dp/B00095MSMY
I didn't pay that much for it, bought it at Staples.
Malcolm
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Malcolm
Curious. When you plug Dymo Labelpoint 350 in to your computer
Can you print to it from Word?
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You wanted input from me regarding GA048 (US) labeling program. I am certainly happy with the results that I am getting. But, it is another program that?s going to grow as all other Genie programs grow and expand. I haven?t recent experience with Dymo labeling products, and really don?t see me getting involved using them.
My basic use for GA048 is generating labels that can be used in the process of starting seeds and working them through that process on their way to the plant?s final resting place. As you realize its seed starting time, I?m buying more seed this week. When I bring in new seeds, the first task at the computer is to enter the basic data from the seed packet.
As I start new seeds, one of the EVENTS is generating labels for them. If I am going to start 5 plants, I print out labels for that quantity, and I have the ability to edit those labels anyway I choose. I place them on a pot-sticker and it follows the ?start? from sowing to final transplanting.
The information you can put on that label is what ever you need. Sure, you want to identify it, but you can also code in what date you started it, it?s maturity time, expected harvest/flowering time(s), its source, special care, what garden it goes in, what bed, how many in this start, etc, etc, etc. If you need a color photo, you can do it.
As far as exposure to the elements, they will last a season?s time at least, if you need something more permanent there are ways of doing it. As for printer expense, my Epson DuraBrite printer is also my scanner, copier, as well as printer for the labels, so it fills my needs in other ways.
As I indicated earlier, GA048 will expand and grow. I can see Genie gardening software developing a version of POS (point of sale) software in the future. It will be used in a retail setting, doing those things it does now, plus the features of ?running? a retail or wholesale gardening outlet. Things like bar-code reading, inventory control, customer records, etc.
Frankly, I love the program; it fills a real need for me! Thanks for creating it, George!
- Toby
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PT 2420PC looks real good Phil.
i dont think it compatabile with vista according to brother http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/eu/eu_ot/en/p-touch/2420euk/spec/index.html,
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I have a dymo 320 labelwriter that i cant use as it is not compatible with vista, offers on a postcard ;D
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Curious. When you plug Dymo Labelpoint 350 in to your computer
Can you print to it from Word?
I hadn't tried that George, but had noticed that it did appear in Printers and faxes.
So tried it from Word, and suprise it does work, you appear to be only able to chose a 12mm width of label or large or small Pendaflex (whatever that is), and have to play about with the margins.
When you click print, the screen on the Dymo labeler shows an image of a computer screen, and the tape transport starts up as usual.
Still Curious ?? ;D
Malcolm
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Just a bit more info for you George if it might be usefull.
There is a Download of the SDK software developers kit here
http://global.dymo.com/enGB/Software/LabelPoint_350.html
Malcolm
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Thanks Malcolm, and thanks for the link.
Since the device is aded to your list of printers, selectable by WORD, it means it will work from the labels program GA048
Would you like to do a little test exercise?
I'll make up a label design, you can download and give it a try.
This should be very easy.
I discovered at the end of day that we have 3 labellers in the company I work for.
One is fairly similar to Lauries, one a larger device (no PC connection), and the third in our stores dept has a PC connection. I havent seen the last two but I'll have a look tomorrow.
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Yes George will try the test exercise, but be aware I have not ventured into the labels part of IG pro, and also at the moment I only have 12mm tape for the Dymo.
Malcolm
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Thats great Malcolm
I have to get this Chiltern Catalog released first if its OK with you we'll try it after that (in a few days time).
12 mm tape will be OK
If thats what you use, then we'll design for that.
Have you used other sizes in the past? If yes, whats your preferred size?
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The plastic labels we use for the plants in pots or beds are only 13mm wide, so 12mm tape fits on ok.
It is bad enough at this time of year with all the labels on show, but when the plants start growing, they become less obvious, so have only used the 12mm George.
We have been to open gardens, with hardly a label anywhere, and would like to have known what the plant was. Can't even find the owner to ask.
Malcolm
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I recall taking photos of the Camellias at Lady Dixon Park in Belfast.
All were well labelled on steel rods, but they were about 2 ft from the centre of the bush. I ended up crawling under the BIG ones, with briers everywhere. Lost a pair of glasses!
People though I was crackers (which on reflection I was) but a mans gotta do what a mans gotta do...
Its really frustrating when they are not labelled! It must be a pleasure to tour your well documented garden!
Any news of the TV program?.
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To clear up the reference of the term Pendaflex, it is a brand name of the old Oxford Pendaflex, which is a system of hanging file folders for filing papers, etc., in offices. I believe it is still owned by Esselte, which is a Dutch firm. I know, because I have sold millions of them, and I have in my hand now, Avery inserts for them, that you can use with M/S Word templates. The Avery order numbers are; #11137 for 1/3 cut and #11136 for 1/5 cut for the inserts. I tried to do a search in Word for templates, but no luck, thinking that the template might help design a layout.
The last catalog I have is 2004, in it, the Dymo #30327 tape refill (1/3 cut) is a white label stock, and measures 3-7/16? x 9-7/16? (US), the #30376 (1/5 cut) -- 2?x 9/16?. Assuming the Dymo refill is designed for indoor use, it might not stand up in the weather. Seiko was another brand of printers that we handled, I have no idea if they are still around or what they offer.
Laurie: See if you can find a UK equivalent for Avery #6577 US label stock, 5/8?x3?, it is what I am having good look with, as long as you want only black ink. Not good for color, color takes days to dry but the adhesive is real good. It is labeled as permanent, durable label, resists moisture, scuffing, tearing and smudging. It is what I am using with the Epson DuraBrite. I was out working in my vegetable bed(s) this afternoon, and came across a buried label from last growing season, I picked it up and rubbed across it with my gloved hand, the label was sticking real well to the pot-sticker, and the ink was just as clear as if I had printed it yesterday. It has been out in the weather since month of May. Experiment with it and see if you and others can somehow make it work for you. Maybe Avery UK will send you some samples; it comes in various label sizes.
Best of luck, you guys, with your GA048 (UK) program.
- Toby
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Thank you Toby for the info regarding Pendaflex, I must admit I had never heard of it before.
In the choice of Pendaflex it mentioned small and large, which figures with the tapes you describe.
Malcolm
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George
Any news of the TV program?.
Last we heard was that it had been through the editing and they were very pleased. That was the producer of the program.
I guess it will be in Spring/early Summer, still no idea if it will be just a 3 minute clip or more. Just hope it will not be too near one of our open days.
Malcolm
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Laurie: See if you can find a UK equivalent for Avery #6577 US label stock, 5/8?x3?.....
I've found the topic where a discussion between yourself, George and others about outdoor labels was started, so it might be a good idea to refresh our memories and go through this again. That way we won't be covering old ground again when researching.
This is the link to the original topic - http://www.flowergenie.co.uk/ideas/forum/index.php/topic,527.0.html (http://www.flowergenie.co.uk/ideas/forum/index.php/topic,527.0.html).
George was making enquiries with Avery at this time, but as far as I'm aware they never replied to him. Maybe George can confirm this.
Laurie.
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12 mm tape will be OK
If thats what you use, then we'll design for that.
Have you used other sizes in the past? If yes, whats your preferred size?
just ordered the pt2100 which goes upto 18mm tz tape, will the IG PRO label programme be suitable for that width of tape, or just one size
Phil
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To explain:
User describes Label size
I design a Label template
I add it to the Labels table (see below) as a new option
I then post this as a download
I email the link for you to download
Start Labels (tab on menu) > Labels GA048
Click the Select a Label pop-up
The new Label Template will be listed
Select your label and continue - adding Plant Name, text etc as required.
You can save your completed Label using the program, for use later
There's no limit to number of labels you save.
Thus, to answer your question, I can design any label template to customer requirements.
Unfortunately (as you have seen) labels come in all shapes and sizes, and printers are many and varied
Some of the ones weve been discussing can print text only, perhaps barcodes.
Some can print everything, including Photos, text at any orientation etc
GA048 allows you to print photos on Labels, and all the above
Labelling with IG Pro/Bonsai Genie has reached its stage of development thanks to The Boss
(toby of course!) ;D
I made quite a few amendments to the program and designed a number of labels for Toby during our project about this time last year.
Toby did the research and came up with a good printer, a good ink and sourced a range of what he judged to be the most practical label sizes from easily obtainable Label stock in the US.
We are now about to do the same for UK printers and labels
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GA048 allows you to print photos on Labels,
hence the purchase of the pt 2100
once i have printer i can have a play with it and get back to you, i maybe able to copy and paste from igpro label text into 2100 printer programe and just insert image and see what happens
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Lots of experimenting will follow, I'm sure. Let us know when it arrives and youve had a chance to play with it Phil
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I'm happy to be able to help. I have an appointment this morning but when I get back I will try to forward the URL's of the sites I used for research on GA048. George hit in on the head, it's the commonality of the ink, the printer and the label stock that is going to drive your decision, otherwise you are going to be all over the page. Have you researched Epson printers looking for printers that will take the DuraBrite ink? The printer I am using for labels now, can be purchased for about 1/4 of the price I paid for it. And mine was on sale at the time.
Will get back to you.
- Toby
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Toby you have done a fantastic job with george on the labeling programe i been playing and just printing out on plain paper to see what they actually look like and they look fantastic
the pt 2100 http://www.brother.co.uk/g3.cfm/s_page/166900/s_level/17280/s_product/PT2100VPZU1 does not use ink it is works the same way as dymo label writer the only thing you have to buy is the tape which is laminated its called tz and is meant to be weather proof, the tz tape i can purchase from a shop in town,
i had to buy a new pc, and of course i had to have one that has vista on it because i could not find one with xp and my epson printer was not compatible and at the time i could not find a epson printer compatible with vista, crazy i know but this is southern ireland, cant even get pork scrathings ::), no doubt there are epson printers compatible now
the printer i have is a canon mp220 which uses fine print ink and according to canon http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/consumables/PIXMA_Ink_and_Papers/the_difference_ink_can_make.asp
Ink demands
PIXMA Photo Printers and Photo All-in-Ones are very demanding when it comes to ink:
The inks must remain stable during operation, since they are instantaneously heated to high temperatures
They must be capable of forming microscopic ink droplets ? in some cases more than two million times smaller than a raindrop ? without clogging the tiny ink nozzles in the print head
The inks must retain a perfect spherical shape when expelled so that they are always placed on the paper with accuracy and precision
Our genuine Canon inks have been developed to meet each of these demands, print after print.
Quality that lasts
All photographs fade; inkjet printed photographs are no exception. Canon ink is engineered to minimise the impact of light and gases in the air.
Also, almost all PIXMA products feature ChromaLife100, the system in which the inks, paper and print head work together to provide you with beautiful, long-lasting prints.
my theory is that avery labels are a tad glossy (if memory serves well) feel free for any one to correct me on that please, like photo paper so i am hopeing that this ink will also be ideal for avery type labels and last a while, so hopefully i will have 2 types of label the avery ones for sticking on seedtrays etc and the tz ones for individual plant labelling, failing the canon i also have a brother dcp135c which is vista compatible will have to check out the inks in that one aswell
Phil
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my theory is that avery labels are a tad glossy (if memory serves well) feel free for any one to correct me on that please
Phil, correcting you nicely here :D........
Kathy and I use Avery labels for our online business Roseberry Labels (http://www.roseberrylabels.co.uk) and have not come across any glossy ones.
We use a Canon Pixma iP4300 Colour Inkjet printer and a selection of Avery Smudge-free QuickDry blank labels.
These, of course, are only suitable for indoor use. I believe Avery do a small selection of heavy-duty labels that are waterproof and suitable for outdoor use. There appears to be only limited sizes available, quite large ones I think. Haven't had chance to research fully on that aspect. Waiting for George's input on this because he was corresponding with Avery not too long ago and I'm not certain if he got a favourable response or not.
Laurie.
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No response from Avery Laurie.
I contacted the US office, not UK
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How about these, available 14 and 21 labels per page as well as others bigger ones
http://www.viking-direct.co.uk/a/sku%2Fbusiness%2FAveryr-14Up-Heavy-Duty-Laser-Labels-99-1-x-38-1mm/pr=Q21&id=L7063-25/
Malcolm
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http://www.dpind.com/
http://gardenpos.wws5.com/testing/index.php
http://www.gardenmarker.com/
http://www.gardenware.com/page13.html
http://www.greenfieldsoftware.co.uk/labelling-software.php
http://www.planetlabel.com/
http://www.longcombe.co.uk/horticulture.htm
http://www.macore.com/
http://www.avery.co.uk/avery/en_gb/
http://www.okibuyer.co.uk/horticulture.php?osCsid=fcf704bbbd5695a45207ee24c8beef20
http://www.rippedsheets.com/
Laurie and Others:
Here are some of the websites I used in my label research. Look at them to study what they have to offer, and then perhaps incorporate some of their efforts into IdeasGenie and come up with a real good GA048 UK label program. I hope they are help for you, as they were for me. See if you can find their UK equivalents.
- Toby
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Phil: It depends on the Avery stock, that?s why it?s necessary to experiment with all the labels that you can. Some are slick, others are not. I probably tested more than twelve different labels, and actually since George and I are not through with US labels, I am going to check out two new ones from Avery when he?s back helping me. I?ll let you guys know how they do, and which ones.
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Malcom:
Those labels are marked for Laser. Generally speaking, I found difficulty using inkjet on laser stock. It wiould be slow drying and prone to smear. If you are going to use inkject, look for stock labeled for inkjet. Avery has now come out with label stock marked for both inkject and laser. They are what I want to order and test. It will have to be in February before I can do that.
- Toby
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To everyone.....
Just so the same enquiries don't get duplicated, I'll contact Avery UK to find out more about all the 'outdoor' labels they provide, that are suitable for an Inkjet printer.
I'll also ask if they could supply any samples for us. As we are regular and heavy users of their labels, I'm sure they'll want to oblige so as to keep us sweet. :D
As soon as I've done that I'll post the results here.
Laurie.
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my theory is that avery labels are a tad glossy (if memory serves well) feel free for any one to correct me on that please
Phil, correcting you nicely here :D........
Kathy and I use Avery labels for our online business Roseberry Labels (http://www.roseberrylabels.co.uk) and have not come across any glossy ones.
We use a Canon Pixma iP4300 Colour Inkjet printer and a selection of Avery Smudge-free QuickDry blank labels.
These, of course, are only suitable for indoor use. I believe Avery do a small selection of heavy-duty labels that are waterproof and suitable for outdoor use. There appears to be only limited sizes available, quite large ones I think. Haven't had chance to research fully on that aspect. Waiting for George's input on this because he was corresponding with Avery not too long ago and I'm not certain if he got a favourable response or not.
Laurie.
i stand corrected thankyou ;) i remember years back when i used to work at dog food factory and i had to print out sticky labels, possibly not avery, the sheets tended to stick together a jam up the printer ::)
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The quality of labels has improved so much over the years, and quite rightly so.
If paper-jamming had been an issue (whoever the company is) they would want to correct that as soon as possible.
Because we are offerng a labels design service to paying customers, then we want the best possible product.
We've stood by Avery for a lot of years now, and completely trust their quality and durability. There are cheaper labels brands out there, but we're not prepared to accept second best. Our recommendation to other people relies on us providing the best possible service. :)
Laurie.
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RE: (Laurie)
I'll contact Avery UK to find out more about all the 'outdoor' labels they provide, that are suitable for an Inkjet printer.
Much appreciated Laurie. I look forward with great interest to their response.
RE: (Malcolm)
How about these, available 14 and 21 labels per page as well as others bigger ones
http://www.viking-direct.co.uk/a/sku%2Fbusiness%2FAveryr-14Up-Heavy-Duty-Laser-Labels-99-1-x-38-1mm/pr=Q21&id=L7063-25/
They should be absolutely no problem to use with GA048. As Toby has correctly pointed out, you need a Laser printer.
The very first label sheet I used when I wrote GA048 was 7x2 address labels by Avery.
You'll find that option in the list when you start GA048.
Theres also an Avery L7160 A4 sheet option which is 7x3 (21)
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Well, I've had an email response from Avery UK, but not as helpful as I expected. :(
I'd explained the lay of the land first by telling them I was a regular customer of theirs for our online labels design service, and that I was making enquiries on behalf of a gardening forum. Thus indicating a lot of potential customers for them.
I'd asked for details of all white heavy-duty label sizes available that are suitable for inkjet printing, and suitable for sticking to wood, plastic and metal. Also, I asked for confirmation that they are resistant to rain, sun, and frost. Finally, I asked if they could sent me some samples of each to test.
I think they were suitably unimpressed because they replied with a link to their website to read about the products concerned, but no additional information was given. Looks like we're not getting any samples either. :'(
Although there is a link at the top of this page for a free sample, you have to fill in a separate form to request them - and it doesn't say which samples you'll get. I'd already made my request in my email, so it's not very helpful when they expect you to go through a separate process to get them. >:( I have not submitted the form.
Anyway, here's the link to their web site section that has the heavy-duty labels - Avery Heavy-duty Inkjet Labels (http://www.avery.co.uk/avery/en_gb/Products/Labels/Identification-Labels/Heavy-Duty-White-Labels/_/Ns=Rank%7C1%7C%7CProduct%20Number%7C1).
The Laser labels appear first, so you'll need to scroll down the page a bit to get to the inkjet ones - and there's only three sizes available. Click the 'View Details' link for each label size for the full specs.
I tried my best but they were just not very forthcoming. Sorry guys and gals. ::)
Laurie.
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Thanks Laurie for trying. Unfortunatley the Inkjet ones are only described as splashproof, as opposed to the laser ones weatherproof.
Next time I send to Viking for stationery I will get some of the laser ones to try. I have used laser labels in my inkjet printer before, and apart from what Toby rightly said about longer drying, they worked fine.
But of course the laser ones may have a coating that the ink from a inkjet wont penetrate, so then will be handwriting them just for parcels etc, worth a try I guess.
I do have a printer with Durabrite inks.
Hey..... have just noticed I have been promoted from a junior member. ;D
Malcolm
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Please go to Avery UK and do a search on J4775-10, J4774-10, and J4773-10. I don't know metric so don't know exact sizes. They should be a good start however for testing for you. The Avery site had a survey if I had problems using their site. I have asked them if you could get samples of the three products. If they get back to me, I'll let you know, either way.
- Toby
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Thanks Laurie for trying. Unfortunatley the Inkjet ones are only described as splashproof, as opposed to the laser ones weatherproof.
We can but try Malcolm. Nothing seems to be perfect. Ho hum. ::)
Hey..... have just noticed I have been promoted from a junior member. ;D
Keep posting and you'll soon become a Hero Member (the highest). But I'm not going to tell you how many posts you have to do to reach that. It'll be a nice surprise for you. :D
(You've got to go through Senior Member first though, tee-hee.) :P
Laurie.
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Regarding my previous posting looks liked you have done that, but, note description; EVEN SUITABLE FOR OUTDOOR USE. These are probably equivalents to what I am using.
- Toby
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That's right Toby.
I am beginning to think that adhesive labels aren't really going to cut the mustard.
Malcolm still has some enquiries to make regarding the Laser ones, so we'll see what he comes back with.
But I'm getting very sceptical about suitable outdoor use labels (for all our purposes anyway.)
Laurie.
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http://www.avery.co.uk/avery/en_gb/Products/Labels/Identification-Labels/Heavy-Duty-White-Labels/White-Heavy-Duty-Inkjet-Labels_J4773_10.htm?N=&Ns=Rank|1||Product%20Number|1&refchannel=4aecf123cdcdc110VgnVCM1000002118140aRCRD
- Toby
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The key description here for these labels though Toby, as Malcolm has also pointed out, is that although Avery describe them as 'suitable for outdoor' use, the description goes on to say they are only splashproof.
To me, that is a contradiction of terms. As we all obviously know, outdoors we get heavy rain. A bit more extreme than 'splashproof' if you ask me.
It's good that we are at least getting somewhere with these enquiries, albeit that we are eliminating some of our options.
So I remain sceptical that this is going to be the answer we were hoping for.
It's a pity really, and I'm starting to feel sorry for George here, as I was hoping that this would have proved an extremely useful option to incorporate everything needed for plant labelling within his software.
Let's just hope that there is a glimmer of light at the end of this tunnel and someone comes up with a brilliant solution for using adhesive labels that will stand up to all weather conditions. :-\
Laurie.
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No need to feel sorry for me Laurie.
Any option, any label, any printer is the same to me. I'm confident that we'll be able to offer a range of options for GA048, for a range of labels with something to suit everyone.
Toby has tried and tested the labels he is using, printed with special ink.
They aren't the same as stationery labels. The weather conditions in his region are a lot more extreme than ours. They reach very high temperatures in Summer and fall much colder than us in Winter, and he has reported that they are doing very well.
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George:
Sorry, have been at lunch, with a short nap break:
These are some of the labels I have tested with good results, the ones following are labels I hope to test. The numbers may not necessarily agree with those shown on the GA048 program, so I will give you #?s and sizes with package descriptions. They do not necessarily state the material that they are made of, but if this is not satisfactory I could go to US Avery and see what information they have there:
#5366, 30 on, 1/3? cut Guaranteed to Stick and Stay, Archival Safe and Acid Free
#6577, 32 on, 5/8?x3?, White Durable IDLabels, Resists moisture, scuffing, tearing and smudging.
#6571, 32 on as above, White Permanent Labels, Archival Safe and Acid Free
#6572, 15 on, same as #6571
#6573, 2 on, 5?x8-1/2?, as #6571
#5523, 10 on, 2?x4?, WeatherProof (and that?s trademarked) White Labels, same as 6577 (the packaging, on the back side has a picture of labels stuck on plant pots
Hope to test:
Do not have packaging yet:
#8163 White Shipping Labels, 2?x4?, Permanent, Inkjet, Smudge free printing, dries instantly, perfect for mailings, shipping, bar coding and organizing
#8263 Color Printing Labels, Matte White, 2?x4?, Permanent, Inkjet, special coating provides vivid color and sharp test for brilliant, high resolution color images, Ideal for mailings, (as in) messages, invitations and announcement, print to edge capability. (I?m eager to test this one.)
- If you need more information will go to website.
And yes, George, is entirely correct about our weather conditions, we had two weeks of snow through holidays, I couldn?t leave house, followed by heavy rains with total disaster flooding cutting off transportation of western side of State (where I?m at). Now we are having heavy smog, with frost, plus heavy dew, where the sun may or not burn through for the day. I have labels still outside, through it all!
I think they are surviving better than I am.
- Toby
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RE free samples for heavy duty labels have requested a free sample for inkjet printer, and my son has requested a free sample for laser printer ;) ;) its good at times to have 2 home address's, if both turn up i will be able to do a little test useing my canon mp220 printer with this fine inks, and see what results are, no doubt will get email stating free samples only apply to uk ::)
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(http://www.lynandmalc.co.uk/images/DSC_1358a.JPG)
This is one of our Clematis labels that has been out for about 10 months on an exposed fence facing west, so plenty of rain, the best of the sun last summer and -10c a week or so ago.
The label is just an ordinary Dymo D1 series tape, not specific for outdoors, made on the Dymo labelpoint 350.
I cant see that any of the other ones we have made, have any problems, The stainless steel was wiped before sticking the label on as there was a small amount of oil on the labels from manufacture.
Malcolm
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my pt 2100 arrived today with 18mm laminated tape been haveing a little play and this is one of the labels printed out, i scanned it on my scanner to upload it to photobucket to get it here
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/plantlabel.jpg)
what i plan to do is to pin some outside facing west which is where the worst of the weather comes from and will keep you all updated on how they last, the label size is 18mm x 60mm why 60mm because i found some plastic pointy labels on ebay that i can stick that size lable too, all of the other pointy labels i looked at were under 18mm
this label with the pic 18mm x 90mm pic on label comes out in black though
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/IMG.jpg)
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Thats neat Phil! Lets hear how it does outside.
Like your labels Malcolm
Question to you both
Can you save what you type for re-use?
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Can you save what you type for re-use?
Using the usb connection to the computer, using sofware supplied YES unlimited file save
Using just the labeler, yes it has a memory button, but not sure how much you can store, will look out the insructions tommorow.
Malcolm
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The writer itself has
Automatically store last 15 labels printed
Store the text of up to 10 labels you use frequently
Name and store up to 10 commonly used label formats
Malcolm
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Impressive! Does it have the capability to print a photo?
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Question to you both
Can you save what you type for re-use?
Yes i beileve it saves upto 9 templates as long as its always plugged in, it does not need to be on, also you can connect to excel to find labels, so what i have done is to copy and paste every single igpro label into excell i can then connect to that choose which plant i want then copy and paste into editor and print
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/ptouch-1.jpg)
the longest label it can do is 300mm
here they are outside facing westardly i have stuck them onto a piece of plastic milk carton, as i have no plant labels, label 1 on left is also stapled onto plastic, label 2 on right is only stuck on, the tape is stickable aswell as laminated, the test begins 23 Jan 09
(http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s19/roiphil/Image000.jpg)
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George
Impressive! Does it have the capability to print a photo?
I am sorry no it can't
Malcolm
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also the pt2420 i dont think it compatabile with vista according to brother
I don't understand that as I am using the 2420 with Vista without any problems. I simply downloaded up to date drivers from the Brother site
The laminated labels have their own ink so any pics will be black and white
My own labels seem to be sticking it well up until now, although in this weather i am not going out to check if they would peel apart easier than when just made :)
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also the pt2420 i dont think it compatabile with vista according to brother
I don't understand that as I am using the 2420 with Vista without any problems. I simply downloaded up to date drivers from the Brother site
The laminated labels have their own ink so any pics will be black and white
My own labels seem to be sticking it well up until now, although in this weather i am not going out to check if they would peel apart easier than when just made :)
just checked on brother site and specs for the 2420
PC CONNECTION Yes
OS Windows 98 / 98SE / Me / 2000
MacOsS 8.6 or later
it does not mention vista but there could be an update on the software for it http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/eu/eu_ot/en/p-touch/2420euk/spec/index.html (http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public_s/id/eu/eu_ot/en/p-touch/2420euk/spec/index.html)
whis4ey how long have your labels been stuck on for and what are they stuck to and where bouts are you in the UK
update found driver for vista
Drivers/Windows Vista®
Printer Driver
Language Version Size Release Date File
English 4.20a 0.65MB 06/04/2007 More Information
http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public/eu/eu_ot/en/dlf/download_index.html?reg=eu&c=eu_ot&lang=en&prod=2420euk&type2=1&os=72&flang=English&dlid= (http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/bsc/public/eu/eu_ot/en/dlf/download_index.html?reg=eu&c=eu_ot&lang=en&prod=2420euk&type2=1&os=72&flang=English&dlid=)
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County Antrim
The labels are into their second year in all conditions
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County Antrim
The labels are into their second year in all conditions
Thanks for that, what have you stuck your labels to found these on ebay they are the right width http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=140221919394 (http://cgi.ebay.ie/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=140221919394) for sticking the label to
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You can see the original version in the thread 'Laminated Labels'
This is the updated version
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thanks for update, you did the labels with your pt2420 and just stuck the label onto the varnished/treated piece of wood, did you use any thing to help the label stick to the wood
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The tape is self adhesive
I think you can also buy one with extra 'stickiness' but I haven't found a supplier :)
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link to extra sticky tape it will give you the code anyway
http://welcome.solutions.brother.com/BSC/public_s/id/eu/eu_ot/en/p-touch/2420euk/c_o/index.html?reg=eu_ot&cao=tape