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Offline Trevor Ellis

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Re: A Victorian obsession
« Reply #15 on: September 19, 2009, 11:37:48 AM »
Hello Palustris,

You've made a useful addition to the topic I'm sure. Hopefully it will encourage some members to have a go. The growing medium issue is perhaps an interesting one. Most advice seems to be to use any seed or multipurpose compost or peat. Tim Dickinson in the Shropshire FLora Group Newsletter (#7 Autumn 1998, http://website.lineone.net/~margaret_cole/SFG7/growing%20ferns.htm) however suggests that seeds should be sown in the type of growing medium that is close to the pH that the mature plant prefers e.g. lime-rich for rustyback ferns, Hart's Tongues, Soft Shield Ferns etc, and an acidic medium for Royal Ferns, Polypody and so on. This would seem to be a logical enough suggestion. Martin Rickard (author of The Plantfinder's Guide to Garden Ferns) says that he prefers to use an ericaceous compost with a low nutrient content, others use peat. Maybe I'll try a few 'control' experiments to try to determine if there's any significant difference in results. Using Perlite and/or Vermiculite in or under the medium might also be useful.


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« Reply #16 on: September 19, 2009, 11:50:59 AM »
Hello (roi)Phil (?)

Interesting to see the map, I'm no geologist and don't know your area - do you have limestone walls/rocks where you're situated? I don't know whether you get limestone and peat in proximity or not.

Trevor

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Re: A Victorian obsession
« Reply #17 on: September 19, 2009, 12:28:00 PM »
To be honest it is over 15 years since I did any ferns from spores. There was little market for the majority of the ones which are easy to grow. People then seemed to want the Cheilanthes types and even more so any small ones from New Zealand. Now all of those I found hard to grow on from germination.
The book I use predates those you mention by a good few years, Hardy Ferns by Reginald Kaye. I also have a few from Victorian times as well.
I did send George a lot of pictures of show ferns from various AGS Shows. Pity I cannot get to Photobucket or I could post some  on here for folks to see.

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« Reply #18 on: September 19, 2009, 12:58:15 PM »
Since you mention Cheilanthes ferns Palustris, a few members have said that they know little or nothing of ferns and most people think that ferns need shady, rather damp places I thought that I should mention the fact that there are ferns that prefer virtually the extreme of this. There's quite a number of ferns that have adapted even to desert conditions and so quite happily grow in full sun and where there is almost no soil on walls and in rock crevices, hollow logs etc. These being known as Xerophytic (arid loving) ferns. Cheilanthes are good examples of the type. In very hot and arid conditions (not much chance of that in this country!) some might shrivel and look dead but spring to life with a few drops of rain. Examples are Cheilanthes tomentosa (Woolly Lip Fern) growing 8-14", Ch. sinuata (Wavy Cloak Fern) 6-18", Ch. argentea (Silver Cloak Fern) 4-6".
 
Examples of other ferns of this type: Adiantum aethiopicum (Common Maidenhair), A. formosum (formosum meaning 'beautiful'), A. hispidum, the Rasp ferns (Doodias), the Leather Fern Ruhmohra adiantiformis (flower arrangers like this one since it lasts very well in arrangements. It grows naturally on coastal rocks in full sun).

They are hardy but do need excellent drainage since they can't stand cold AND wet.

Might be an interesting proposition for members who have dry, sunny spots where builders have dumped rubble etc.
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Re: A Victorian obsession
« Reply #19 on: September 19, 2009, 01:02:29 PM »
Hello George,

it would be a really good addition to the master database if you could add those photographs.

Regards,
Trevor

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Re: A Victorian obsession
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2009, 12:07:12 PM »
Hello (roi)Phil (?)

Interesting to see the map, I'm no geologist and don't know your area - do you have limestone walls/rocks where you're situated? I don't know whether you get limestone and peat in proximity or not.

Trevor
(roi) republic of ireland  ;) , many years ago 50 plus the farm that was then used to make there own own lime for spreading on the land, up one of the fields there are still remains of 1 wall to the building where the lime was made, dont ask how what they did to it in that building because i dont know, so there is a good possibility that some  areas could be limey
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